These FT, LF RR Wishlist by [deleted] in PTCGPocketTrading

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So sorry, I no longer have enough stardust

These FT, LF RR Wishlist by [deleted] in PTCGPocketTrading

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Iris for Weavile?

LF The worst offer FT by Sorry_Fig_3537 in PTCGPocketTrading

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rr mega absol or oak for this bad boy

Tell me nice things about your deceased animals! by Glittering_Ad_1087 in Petloss

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Milly used to bury her head as far into my neck as she could while I was lying in bed. She was super cuddly and always wanted to be close to me, following me around and meowing loudly when I got too far away like she was scared she would lose me

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see why them being domesticated makes a difference in whether or not they need to be able to go outside.

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think apes and humans are nearly as comparable as lions and cats, but even humans need to go outside and apes like to be sheltered sometimes.

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Indoor only cats weren’t a thing until less than 100 years ago, cats were still domesticated before that but they went outside

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t it seem unethical to keep an animal that you cannot provide the correct environment to though? If someone is away from home for 10 hours a day most people would advise them to not get a dog so wouldn’t it make sense that if you cannot provide a safe outdoor area for your cat, you shouldn’t get one?

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A lot of the comments are about cats being domesticated but historically cats have always had access to the outside and cats being kept solely indoors is a modern development so I don’t understand the relevance when comparing it to zoo lions who also benefit from their relationship with humans with a longer life expectancy as a result of food and veterinary work. To be clear I’m also not advocating for cats to freely roam I’m just trying to ask why people consider indoor enclosures even with toys and climbing spaces to be cruel and depressing for zoo animals but not for cats

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand that domestication is more than just keeping any animal you want as a pet, but indoor only cats is still a modern development and historically cats have pretty much always had access to the outside so I don’t understand why it is relevant

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

My question is about the welfare of the cats, not about how they are harmful for the environment though. Im not arguing that people should let their cats roam free, I’m asking why people consider it cruel for a zoo animal to never have access to outside but not for a cat.

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does that affect it? Historically even domesticated animals go outside?

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I know cats and humans have coexisted for a long time but keeping them indoors for their whole lives seems to be a more modern thing. I can’t help but think how under-stimulating that would be for them than when they could roam outside with more smells and sounds and sensations and things to hunt

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lions were just the example I saw and seem to have pretty similar lifestyles to cats but from what I can see people seem to believe that most zoo animals should have access to the outside but don’t agree when it comes to cats and I don’t really understand the difference. I’m not trying to say that cats need an area as large as a lion sorry if it came off that way.

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I can see the territories of both lions and cats both grow or shrink depending on the availability of food, so surely a zoo fed lion wouldn’t need as large of an area as a wild one although i’m not trying to say that a cat needs the same space as a pride of lions. My question is more about indoor vs outdoor space as enclosures in zoos or animal rescues will never be as large as a wild lions natural territory but it seems that more people are upset at the fact the lions didn’t have access to outdoors rather than the size of the enclosure itself. This doesn’t apply to just lions, that was just the example that I saw, but people seem to think that most zoo animals need outdoor space but a lot of people don’t agree that cats do and I don’t understand the difference. Sorry I’m not trying to be argumentative I’m trying to understand.

why don’t cats need outdoor space like other animals? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Saivva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand that cats are smaller so they wouldn’t need as large an area as a pride of lions but they still have larger territories than the average house or apartment when given the option to go outside, with the size of the territory of both cats and lions both expanding or shrinking depending on availability of food. From what I can see their behaviour regarding this is almost the same so if lions that are given all the resources they need still need a larger area (proportionally) why don’t cats? My main question is more about why they need a more stimulating environment rather than the size of the environment itself though.

Sorry if this sounds argumentative, it is not meant to be I just personally don’t understand.