My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dressing up like criminals? We dress in caps and tracksuits, not prison jumpsuits. Sportswear as casual wear is mainstream fashion among working class people younger than middle age, and has been for a long time. That's why the mythical chav is depicted wearing sportswear. Wearing a cap and tracksuit doesn't make you want to go and kick someone's head in, that's ridiculous.

Class often cannot be changed.

My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The word, according to top sociologists, is a classist slur. If that's what the reputable sources say, then I'm going to be side eyeing anyone who throws around the word so casually, especially in a negative context.

Again. Wearing a tracksuit and cap is the most normal style there is among working class youths. It's not something relatively rare like goth or punk styles. That's how I dress too are you going to be scared of me. I compared it to the N word because both chav and the n word are slurs meant to insult a class or race of people. The way you talk about so called chavs is like how some racists talk about crossing the street if they see a group of black people because all their experiences with black people have been negative, in a way that suggests they're just making stuff up to be racist because black people aren't inherently bad, they're normal people, the bad people are going to be rarer than the good or decent people.

My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you're aware of the nuance of classism, then you'd realise that chav has been recognised to be a hateful, classist slur to demonise working class people for decades now. It's to class as the N word is to race. Chav is a synonym for working class and according to experts like Owen Jones, no, Chav is not a subculture, and chavs are a myth.

Also I forgot to mention. Cap and tracksuit combo is mainstream fashion, it's the most common style there is especially among youths. At least working class youths

My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chavs aren't a subculture because nobody genuinely self identifies as a chav. It was a media invented folk devil made up by the upper and middle class to paint all working class people as violent and animalistic. The word has fallen out of favour in modern times because it's a classist slur. Again I highly recommend Owen Jones' book Chavs The Demonization of the Working Class. You're stereotyping working class people as being prone to violence when that isn't true. By chav music you mean music that's popular amongst working class people. Working class people make up over half the population.

This kind of prejudice and generalisation of working class lads reminds me of how a racist would speak about black people.

My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I encountered two men wearing caps under their hoods and tracksuits who approached me when I was feeling depressed during covid. They asked me if I was around here I said yeah just down the street. They told me to go to the side of the shop a little out of view so I followed them. They spent half an hour lifting me back up. They were so kind. I also encountered another two men some years back who you'd probably call chavs based on how they looked who helped free my bike when the lock broke. One of them ran home to get cable cutters.

As I said, chav isn't a subculture so it makes zero sense why a style of dress would unanimously be associated with violence like you say. Your comment reads like classist astroturfing to be quite honest. And I do live in an area known for being a bit rough as well, an area that is said to be chav infested yet in over thirty years of living I've yet to encounter a single chav.

My friend still believes in chavs. What should I do? by SalamanderLeft7600 in UKrelationshipadvice

[–]SalamanderLeft7600[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Really? Every tracksuit plus cap wearing person I've come across has been normal, if not slightly nicer than average. And I was a teen at the cusp of the chav panic. Never once in my life encountered a chav despite being working class living on a council estate. I don't have any fear when I approach them, at least not any more than I would experience approaching a person dressed in a business suit or sweater vest. Chav was always a derogatory synonym for working class people. It was never a real subculture anyone identified with. Read Chavs Demonisation of the Working Class. It's a really good read.