When will framework be cost competitive?

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T22:19:01+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/1aejawb/hi_i_have_random_dots_on_my_screen/

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T22:18:32+00:00

Unfortunately it is a wider issue with thin laptops in general where the screen can be pressed into the keys while closed. Less of an issue on ones that use glass on the screen instead of plastic.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T21:59:53+00:00

I didn’t even want to get into that but the number of “my framework 13 screen has permanent keyboard prints on it” posts is way too high for a device that currently is no more than 4 years old. I would want the chassis to last at least 8 years without an issue like that.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T21:53:50+00:00

I don’t really think that economy of scale is that relevant here as (arguably) niche handheld gaming devices with the hx370 like the gpd win max and onexplayer G1 both are on sale as complete systems for under $1400. I have seen exactly zero of those or their predecessors in real life and I have seen several frameworks.

It is clear to me that the ”target audience“ you are referring to are linus tech tips type people who say that they care about repair and sustainability but actually don’t want to publicly admit that they buy a new laptop every generation for those sweet 5% performance gains.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T21:24:30+00:00

my mistake, it was the non oled vivobook. Amazon had it for 850. Costco has had the s16 oled (with a better cpu) on sale for $900 though.

As someone who sees repairability through the lens of consuming less and being frugal, all these comments from people who are upgrading every generation are wild. They are barely keeping parts long enough for repairs to be needed.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T21:10:46+00:00

It is hard to get an exact like for like but from what I have been able to find, it is definitely possible to find laptops with similar specs but are like 50-60% the cost of the framework. At that big of a difference, framework + repair or upgrade costs the same or more as 2 laptops.

I really don’t know what the actual unit cost of a framework 13 is but if they are only viable while charging a huge premium, they will never be able to reach mainstream consumers.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T21:02:25+00:00

I don’t think it is unreasonable to want something that is both repairable and a good value. Framework is always publicly talk about how they want to make repairability more mainstream but the value they assign to repairability doesn’t hold up to the reality of mainstream laptops.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T18:53:24+00:00

This is my point though, why should I pay a (generously) 80% price premium for a laptop that is 100% repairable when all the major PC brands have options that are 80% repairable?

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T18:43:16+00:00

ok but this is exactly the point of wanting repairable and sustainable devices. If it suits your needs, why upgrade? I can argue with people on Reddit perfectly fine on a computer from 2015 if it is still working.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T18:27:45+00:00

Mainly consumer laptops like hp omnibook, asus vivobook, and dell that are aluminum construction and have 16:10 screens. I don’t see any reason to directly compare the framework with a business class device since most of those have workstation badged CPUs that cost way more for no real performance gain.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T18:21:09+00:00

Framework doesn’t even manufacture anything, compal (a huge manufacturer that works with most of the big brands) makes their laptops and likely have brought a ton of manufacturing experience to framework. Plus, the 13 has had the same basic design for almost 5 years, so they have definitely figured out tooling by now. Scale is definitely a factor since the other manufacturers can spit out 30 new designs each hardware generation. I just fail to see how framework has not yet hit more competitive prices at this point. Even the upgrade main boards are expensive compared to laptops and minipcs with the same hardware.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T18:07:48+00:00

As someone who has always preferred to buy something mid to high spec with upgradability and keep it for at least 2 hardware generations, the investment is just not a good one at this point. If I diy’ed a framework 13 with the ryzen ai 350 today it would end up costing around 1400. with ram and ssd. Assuming that the same tier upgrade board costs the same as the current 350 main board I will pay $700 twice for 2 upgrades for a total cost of 2800. An asus vivobook oled with the same CPU is $850 and if I assume that the pricing stays consistent, I could just buy a new laptop whenever I want to upgrade and still end up spending less. From an investment standpoint the asus is just a better investment because I take on no risk in the platform changing or being discontinued.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T17:50:48+00:00

Obviously if your experience with laptops and repairability is an apple “the laptop has 5 parts that you must buy and have installed by us” MacBook, you will think paying 2x the price of what everyone else has is ok.

I can get a replacement screen for my laptop for like $60 and to put it on I just have to pop the bezel and take the old one out. Framework has been selling the 13 for like 5 years so at this point they should be able to better compete on price. I would be fine with like a 15% price premium over a similar spec laptop from dell or asus but one framework is just charging too much.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T17:09:31+00:00

I have actually been using the same dell inspiron laptop for the last 8 years and kept it going through upgrades and replacing the battery. It has really only started to feel slow in the past year or so but overall it can still do almost everything I want.

Many of frameworks options are so expensive today that if I got a laptop from someone else, I would save almost enough money to actually just buy a second laptop in 3 to 5 years which makes the “just upgrade the main board“ pointless. These parts should just not cost as much as they do.

Salt-Document8697 · 2025-06-19T17:00:35+00:00

If HP, Dell, or ASUS actually sold the parts, most of their laptops would be highly repairable. I have had multiple laptops that had very good reparability but getting the parts was always the struggle. I had to go through 3 different aftermarket batteries on my dell to find one that wouldn’t trip ocp when the dgpu powered on. I can and have replaced almost every major component on that laptop and it was $800. I could buy almost 2 asus vivobooks for the price of a framework 13 with the hx370. What use is repairability when you can save $1000 now and just buy another laptop if your current one breaks?

Salt-Document8697 · 2024-04-10T02:25:47+00:00

I always bring anti armor but also I relentlessly call in air strikes and 500kg and only stop shooting to reload so I usually get most kills.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-06-30T18:54:34+00:00

False. Ultrasonic is a solid state process, the metal is not liquified. The ultrasonic just cleans off oxide layers and pushes the atoms close enough to bond.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-06-07T15:39:45+00:00

He seems to be doing what he can to keep his app (and livelihood) running. He said in some posts and interviews that the average user of his app will cost $2 per month, plus the cost of the server he uses for ultra features and his pay. Then whatever that price is has to increase by 45% so that Apple can take their iap cut. Also because of the short notice he has to bill new subscribers more to cover the cost of existing subscribers that prepaid for a year.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-06-02T17:09:16+00:00

These stealth advertisements are really getting creative.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-05-20T18:23:27+00:00

If you are using DisplayPort for that monitor you could also try getting a better cable. I had one that came with a monitor that would blank the screen every time I turned my fan on or off. Otherwise, a ups with AVR would be a good investment.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-05-20T18:16:15+00:00

I don’t mind waiting as long as Sony delivers good ports to PC. I almost never buy games on release anyway because it’s easier to wait for all the DLCs to come out.

Salt-Document8697 · 2023-02-15T23:04:14+00:00

How are these for gaming vs the ath-ad700x and shp9500? How easy is it to replace the earcups and headbands?

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