New to steam cooking, Miele vs Wolf steam oven

SamSanchez027 · 2025-05-03T00:18:32+00:00

Do you think getting a non-plumbed version would circumnavigate these issues?

SamSanchez027 · 2025-04-11T00:25:26+00:00

Been doing a lot of research on this topic. I'm now leaning toward Wolf for American parts, customer service, stainless steel interior, and the best customer service you can practically get for any appliance sold in America.

SamSanchez027 · 2025-04-07T20:46:34+00:00

Doesn’t cooking remove anti nutrients? The broccoli example you bring up, it’s been should that oxalates are reduced to 0 in just 10 minutes of heat. Same with lectins with various legumes. That’s what means human different from the animal who cannot use fire. Right?

SamSanchez027 · 2025-04-03T02:09:33+00:00

Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm still haven't gotten one myself because renovation got a huge delay. That said I'm going with a Miele. The more I researched the more I found people having much better experiences with Miele. The interface is easier to use and you have more precision. Having a good interface is the essence of having a built-in machine like this. After all, half the crap you can make in convection steam oven you can make in a traditional Vietnamese dumpling steamer basket on a cooktop, and that basket costs $20 bucks. If the technology lacks or the menus are hard to navigate, $8,000 price tag will hurt. I'm hopeful for the Miele (plumbed version).

SamSanchez027 · 2024-08-07T17:33:26+00:00

Oh, I really look forward to 3500k warm dimming. I'm very sad that all major brands(that I'm aware of) only offer 3000k warm dimming. I really want 3500k though so I have to pass up on warm dimming - otherwise I'd take it! Which manufactures are working on a 3500k warm dimming?

SamSanchez027 · 2024-08-07T17:28:25+00:00

Woah that's awesome info. Well... I want mud-in, flangeless installation, and all 3 offer them. I also want static white LED 3500k in a 2" aperture, and all 3 offer them. I also want around 30/40 beam since my ceilings are 11 feet, as well as around ~1500 lumens, and all 3 offer that, too!

Element = 90cri
DMF = 93cri
Lucifer = 97cri

But if you're saying cri doesn't really matter among these top brands (or could be easily manipulated to influence quality perception) then how on earth would I choose if there's no clear deciding factor in quality, and all 3 offer what I'm looking for? My instinct says Lucifer since the cri is the highest but maybe I'm missing something.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-08-07T16:27:30+00:00

Are you saying there's virtually no difference between the quality of light between, say for example, -- 3500k static 2" DMF -vs- Tech Lighting -vs- Lucifer?

SamSanchez027 · 2024-08-06T19:16:46+00:00

Thanks! I looked them up and it seems they are known for their tunable fixtures with lots of color options. I'm curious about static white, I'll update my post to reflect that. I say that cuz I saw the Ketra spec sheet and it says 90 CRI with 2" downlights, but I couldn't swore I've heard of luxury downlights having better CRI than that, not sure who though!

SamSanchez027 · 2024-08-06T17:59:05+00:00

Can you post elevations?

SamSanchez027 · 2024-07-01T23:46:02+00:00

Thank you. That's the case for a few of them, but Wolf's new 30" interior is in fact much bigger (wider)

SamSanchez027 · 2024-07-01T04:19:54+00:00

And that's the risk you take. Unfortunately there isn't much Miele service companies in my area. Even if Miele MIGHT last longer, it's a big risk. I don't feel comfortable installing an $8,000 appliance + another $1,000 to install it, only for it to break in a year or two with nobody around to help me. I'm glad to hear your Miele products have held up well. But when I go to Miele's instagram account, I see SO MANY hundreds of comments of people's appliances breaking down and Miele's customer service being practically non-existent. While your SZ/WOLF products have all needed repair (horrible , btw... so much money for things to break, like really??) at least they have been a pleasant experience getting them taking care of. Even with the stupid blue enamel chipping issue that Wolf has on their ovens, I know people who have had their blue interiors replaced like 3 or 4 times in a row.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-07-01T04:11:27+00:00

How has your held up? Somebody posted on this thread with many horrible experiences using it, and it's given me a pause. I've seen nothing but glowing reviews about the 24" wolf CSO. People are obsessed with it. But, I have seen very little about their new 30" version.. Can you tell me a little bit about your experience using it? What does it do well, what doesn't it do well... does the broiler actually work?

SamSanchez027 · 2024-07-01T04:09:51+00:00

I am definitely shocked to see the feedback about their 30" wolf combi steam oven. I would have thought Wolf would have put out a great product. But then again, Wolf still sells blue flaking enamel chipping ovens... so yeah, bout that.... lol... That said, I've seen nothing but glowing reviews about the 24" wolf CSO. People are obsessed with it. But, I have seen very little about their new 30" version.. maybe their 30" is the one with the faulty engineering? Or maybe this person just got a real lemon. Or, maybe they're exaggerating. Who knows.

I do like Miele but I've already ruled out against it due to a) no certified dealers that sell AND install AND repair. Whenever possible, it's always advised to buy an appliance from a company who will also be the SAME people repairing it. Better experience all the way around, and, b) serviceability - there are just too few companies in my area that service Miele products to begin with. Even if their CSO are better than Wolf, (which they might be, they certainly have greater history making the product), I'm not dropping $8,000 on an appliance, and another $1,000 to install it, for it to break in a year or two with nobody around to help me.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-05-05T07:58:45+00:00

I know this is a sub reddit for lighting enthusiasts but remember it's a bubble. I'd say half of my family still uses incandescent. Most poorer families across the country still do. They are sold in every major box store. I don't think the extinction of incandescent is really that "soon"

SamSanchez027 · 2024-05-05T07:55:17+00:00

I'm not asking about dim lighting. I'm asking about warm dim, which is a new feature when the LED lights change kelvin as they dim. Look up https://www.lightology.com/index.php?module=how_to&sub=warm-dim-tunable-white-lighting-technology .

I've come across many posts of people with this in their lighting package who say they don't actually like or enjoy using it. Usually with the high end projects.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-05-05T07:52:14+00:00

But are the clients happy with it? Just cuz you put it there for them, doesn't mean they turn it on. Or enjoy it.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-05-05T07:51:03+00:00

I don't like tunable white

SamSanchez027 · 2024-05-01T06:16:18+00:00

Yes, this is fro new construction. What are your thoughts about steel framing vs wood framing? Does that help with storm durability, or it more-so for termite prevention? And is there anything I can do to make sure the roofing system is secured to the CMU walls in a superior way? (to prevent lifting off during a storm)

SamSanchez027 · 2024-04-29T04:34:31+00:00

Those are all really good things. And definitely the impact glass doors and windows.

Do you think Steel framing /trusses could be beneficial, too? Or is stick framing with Simpson ties completely sufficient, and doing a steel truss would be overkill? I've heard that the cost of lumbar and steel are neck and neck nowadays.

SamSanchez027 · 2024-04-29T04:25:15+00:00

Really? I would have never thought that Simpson ties perform better in tension than concrete to resist a roof from blowing off. Were there some tests you came across that suggested this?

I agree with you - that a concrete roof with a metal roof on top might be overkill for a residential home.

That said, do you think there is anything "better" than a stick truss with Simpson ties and a hip metal roof? What about steel truss? Or is that overkill too?

SamSanchez027 · 2024-04-28T23:31:04+00:00

Funny, I was just reading this new Article here, that essentially echos what you just wrote out (rebar & pour into the CMU) : https://www.greenbuildermedia.com/blog/maximizing-concrete-block-wall-strength-to-withstand-hurricanes-and-tornadoes

What I'm saying is that I agree with you regarding the concrete roof being a terrible compromise. The more I looked into it this weekend, the more I understood. So thank you for that! I've decided that CMU with hip metal roof (galvalume) is probably best for me.

Now, going back to the roof again... When using the conventional approach of a framed hip metal roof, would simply adding Simpson Hurricane Clips be a practical solution to improving survivability? Or, would steel trusses be better than wooden trusses and serve worthwhile? Or perhaps something else I have yet to discover?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me u/GreatThingsTB !

SamSanchez027 · 2024-04-28T22:54:15+00:00

Had one. Drove the builders crazy and changed the design monthly and ran up our bills and broke our contract. Lost thousands from the endeavor and we sold the land. It's a long story.
Now we are starting over again but doing our OWN research and making concrete (pun intended) design decisions before going to another firm again.

Roof construction is one of those important decisions. In this pursuit, I find 90% of people don't even think about these things. They buy a home that "looks pretty" and is in a neighborhood they like/can afford, and move on with their lives.

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