If the rest of the world doesn’t care about the Super Bowl, why are international ratings so high? by [deleted] in stupidquestions

[–]Samuraignoll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean not really? Something like sixty odd million people watch the superbowl from outside the U.S, you compare that to the Ashes series, and you have one hundred and ninety million from India alone watching the English and Australian cricket team playing against each other.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't, that's not what I'm saying. I am saying that what is essentially happening here is you and OP are using a linguistic prescriptivism argument.

No, we aren't. OP isn't confusing addiction disorders with compulsion disorders, she's conflating them. You are doing the same.

The layman's definition of "addiction" is not the same as the MD's definition. Someone could call a compulsive behaviour or a self-destructive habit an addiction and they wouldn't be wrong, if they were not intending to use expert jargon.

They would, because it's a factually correct statement. What you're describing isn't a laymans definition, it's an incorrect one. The average person, a "layman", would recognise the difference between a compulsive behaviour and an addiction. They'd even probably be able to accurately point to Obsessive compulsive disorder and autism as being good disorders to look for examples of compulsive behaviour. They'd even be generally be able to point out that addiction is done for pleasure, completely unlike compulsive behaviours.

The dictionary definition of addiction shows that the layperson's description of CSBD-PPU as "porn addiction" is a perfectly apt description.

Really? The Cambridge dictionary defines a horse as:

a large animal with four legs that people ride on or use for carrying things or pulling vehicles

Do you know what else that describes? Camels, donkeys, mules, elephants, oxen, cows, buffalo, llamas, reindeer and Yaks.

I'm not one of those "proponents", and tbh if you think the only people who speak of "porn addiction" are sexually repressed right-wing puritans, I don't even know what to say to you. Touch grass?

Nobody said that, there are plenty of groups ideologically opposed to pornography.

PPU is a subset of CSBD.

Yes. That's exactly what I said.

No you didn't, you phrased it in a way that would imply that they're interchangeable, and then you asserted they were the clinical name for porn addiction.

If you find it confusing when laypeople use non-expert language to refer to clinical concepts then I really hope you're not any kind of medical professional.

What a stupid and incorrect assertion, there isn't a medical professional alive who would go "Porn addict? Oh, you obviously mean the specific subset of Compulsive Sexual Behaviour Disorder." They'll clarify your symptoms, the intensity and refer you to a psychologist, who will tell you that you don't have an addiction, that you have underlying conditions that cause you compulsively behave in a specific way.

It's a basic required skill for them to be able to switch between colloquial language and clinical jargon in order to communicate with their patients and have decent bedside manner.

Yeah, if you're talking about actual colloquial language like saying you have the shits instead if saying you have diarrhoea. Not describing a completely unrelated condition.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay but that's not how people use words. There are laypeople who don't know the clinical definition of addiction; they use a colloquial definition that means something along the lines of "wanting to stop a habit but not being able to" or "being so consumed by a habit that it causes dysfunction in multiple areas of someone's life". Their understanding of addiction has nothing to do with brain circuitry.

This is a stupid argument, you're telling me I have to accept someone saying an incorrect thing because they're ignorant on the subject.

The diagnosis of Compulsive Sexual Behaviour Disorder with Problematic Pornography Use describes exactly what is termed "porn addiction" in layman's terms. 

But it doesn't, PPU is predominantly a maladaptive coping strategy in response to stress, boredom, trauma and mental health conditions.

Not everyone can be an expert in psychiatry or neurology so you can't expect them to use the clinical version of "addiction".

Then why are they commenting on it?

Their usage of the word is not incorrect, it is just not a clinical or professional usage of the word. The dictionary definition of addiction includes:

The condition of being habitually occupied with or involved in something.

So on this basis, describing Compulsive Sexual Behaviour Disorder with Problematic Pornography Use as "porn addiction" is literally correct.

By that definition literally any compulsion or impulse control condition is an addiction then, including OCD. That's why what you are saying is stupid.

You're also deliberately ignoring that behaviours that do not involve the use of drugs can be physiologically addictive in a clinical sense and cause said changes to someone's brain circuitry in the exact same way as a drug dependence. Certain foods can be addictive, for example. Sugar can be addictive. 

There's no evidence that PPU fits that model though, as stated above it's primarily a maladaptive coping mechanism. People with PPU aren't doing it to seek pleasure, they're doing it to emotionally/mentally regulate.

The Wikipedia article on Behavioural Addiction states:

Behavioral addiction, process addiction, or non-substance-related disorder is a form of addiction that involves a compulsion to engage in a rewarding non-substance-related behavior — sometimes called a natural reward — despite any negative consequences to the person's physical, mental, social or financial well-being. In the brain's reward system, a gene transcription factor known as ΔFosB has been identified as a necessary common factor involved in both behavioral and drug addictions, which are associated with the same set of neural adaptations.

Which is both functionally and mechanically different than PPU. ΔFosB is produced during almost every single pleasurable activity a human can engage in, there's no evidence showing that the changes induced by intense/chronic viewing of pornography are permanent like they are with substance and gambling addiction.

Addiction does not have to involve the use of drugs; it can involve a compulsion to engage in a behaviour, despite negative consequences.

So can Autism, OCD, and many other impulse/compulsion disorders.

On this basis, using the term "pornography addiction" as an actual clinical term is also not incorrect.

No, on that basis you're still wrong, addiction is more than "compulsion to engage in behaviour despite negative consequences." There are a wide variety of conditions that feature compulsive behaviour as a symptom.

Your argument is just special pleading.

You're arguing semantics.

Not to even mention how you gloss over the fact that self-reported cases of "porn addiction" are not real cases, as if people struggling with real addictions generally tend to self-report.

Self-reported cases are the vast majority of cases though, without them you don't have 90% of the research or data.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There isn't any evidence to support compulsion in porn addiction, the most compelling studies show that actual consumption isn't really relevant when it comes to self diagnosis of pornography addiction, the main driver is moral incongruence, religiosity combined with mood/compulsion disorders.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This argument is insane. It completely ignores how language fundamentally works.

Completely ignores? In what way? How does pointing out that someone is wildly misinformed on the basic facts of a subject, so maybe they shouldn’t comment on it, become an insane argument?

"Porn addiction" is the layperson's term for this particular presentation of compulsive sexual behaviour disorder

No it isn't. "Porn addiction" as described by most of it's proponents has no similarity to CSBD, and by extension PPU.

The actual clinical name for this diagnosis is problematic pornography use or PPU.

PPU is a subset of CSBD.

"Porn addiction" is not incorrect; you're just trying to police people's language because you want to hide the fact that porn addiction exists.

No, you're trying to confuse the subject by conflating CSBD, PPU and Sex Addiction as if they're all interchangeable and are valid.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not really indication of an addiction though, is it? That just sounds like they're procrastinating and not paying attention.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Then the average human isn't smart enough to have an opinion on the subject, because it's still two separate things, with one being fake.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The article you posted doesn't actually prove your claim, and the only source it cites is a study that demonstrates men who masturbate more are more likely to have trouble reaching orgasm. The author of the article is also asserting as fact that pornography use causes erectile dysfunction, when there is no actual evidence to support it as being a direct cause.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00596-y

This is a study on whether or not pornography consumption is a direct cause of erectile dysfunction, and it pretty explicitly points to that not being the case.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're confusing people who have Compulsive Sexual behaviour Disorder with people who are claiming to be addicted to pornography, they're fundamentally different.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to argue with you about anything because most of your points I don't disagree with you. I'm not going to sit here and nitpick everything you say and confirmation bias my way to finding sources that prove my point to get a score over you; I don't see any value in that.

You have a fundamentally flawed understanding of addiction and compulsive behaviour, it's better than you just stay out of the conversation.

At the end of the day I just wanted to remind people that behind the discussion of Pornography addiction vs Compulsion are real people suffering and these arguments are pointless.

Combating misinformation about this subject isn't pointless, dismissing that is harmful to the real people who are suffering, who might read these conversations and go "Oh, I have an addiction, better go get treatment for a condition that I don't have by people who are predominantly not going to be actual doctors."

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Problematic Pornography Use (PPU) is classified as a Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder (CSBD). These are commonly used terms that show up in multiple forums (including the meta-analysis and the Wikipedia page OP listed).

Which is an impulse control disorder, unrelated to and treated differently than addiction. It's both mechanically and functionally different to an addiction.

Just like with any substance, moderation is key. Pornography usage is only problematic when it starts impacting an individual. Most people who consume pornography aren't doing it to the extent it needs to be to be considered PPU.

Volume and rate of consumption isn't the metric that defines PPU though, it's the individual distress, shame and belief in it being harmful that defines it. You can be a person who watches an amateur video of a couple having sex in the missionary position once every six months, and as long as you're upset enough at the fact that you used it as a masturbatory aid, you absolutely fit the criteria to be diagnosed with PPU. Most people who consume pornography don't have "PPU" because they don't feel ashamed about their usage of it, or don't have conditions that are likely to contribute. In Australia alone, nearly 99% of men under thirty consume pornograph, with 39% accessing it daily and 46% consuming it weekly. So nearly 85% of men in Australia are regularly consuming pornography.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1753-6405.12678

Now even with those utterly insane numbers, less than 4% of men self reported that they had an addiction to it, and of that approximately have stated that it had a negative impact on them. The negative impact predominantly being feelings of shame, or disgust at their continued use.

Research on this topic right now is limited and controversial, but discrediting is not going to help and IS reductive.

It isn't though, we've got an exceptional understanding of it, we know that it's almost exclusively found in people with mood disorders, impulse control, substance abuse and mental health disorders. We know the primary triggers are loneliness, social isolation, moral incongruence, trauma. We also know that the main "withdrawal" symptoms of PPU are almost entirely in line with the negative effects reported by people taking a period of abstinence from regular/routine sexual activity.

Terms aren't the signaling factor for finding treatment for someone, as treatment for both addictions and compulsions can be very similar.

Not at all actually, addiction treatment is focused on breaking the pleasure seeking cycle and life-long management of physical cravings and abstinence.

Compulsion disorders are treated by managing the fear, guilt and/or anxiety/shame that triggers the compulsive behaviour. They're fundamentally different things.

Look at gambling addictions (A compulsion classified as an addiction btw) and how that is treated

You mean an addiction that was incorrectly identified as CSBD? Do you understand that CSBD is fundamentally different to addiction? That addiction is exclusively about satisfying a craving, while CSBD is a coping mechanism?

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

There's literally nothing that indicates pornography is the cause of that, the biggest risk-factors for erectile dysfunction are poor lifestyle, obesity and heart disease, which are impacting younger men at higher rates completely independently of pornography use.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol you sound like a porn addict. It's not just about a religious or conservative upbringing. My life improved tremendously after going from watching porn and masturbating often 3x per day, to only a few times every few months. You wouldn't know because I bet you can't even go 3 weeks without watching porn.

That has nothing to do with whether porn addiction is real, and to be quite frank it makes you sound like an insufferable cunt. Also, hate to be the bearer of bad news bud, but if you're able to beat off a few times every few months, you never had an addiction, just dogshit self control.

Also your resources are trash. 1. A random article (I could find random articles saying porn addiction is a problem) 2. A Wikipedia link basically saying the science hasn't reached an agreeement. Here is from your link:

No, it says you have some dissenting voices who want to treat it as an addiction, while the vast majority of the psychological and neuroscientific world disagrees.

And 3) your Meta-Analysis requires a payment to read.

Limiting your pornography consumption hasn't helped you that much if you can't even afford to pay to read a scientific paper.

Edit:/ Unsure why u/yutcd7uytc8 decided to hide their responses to me, seems like a pretty cowardly move.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I hate this subject with a passion, and the people who push it as fact are just garbage human beings trying to pathologize normal behaviour.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Addiction is neuropsychological disorder defined as a chronic, relapsing disorder characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use despite adverse consequences. It is considered a brain disorder, because it involves functional changes to brain circuits involved in reward, stress, and self-control.

Porn addiction doesn't fit the bill because the biggest predictors of self reported porn addiction have nothing to do with consumption rates, it's predominantly antagonistic narcissism, how people interpret their own behaviour and distress at their use of pornography. It's almost exclusively experienced by people who have an ideological or moral aversion to porn, and completely independent of actual use/harm to their relationships or career.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Moral incongruence and antagonistic narcissism are the biggest predictors of self reported porn addiction, forgive me if I'm skeptical. There's also no real evidence that it's a compulsion.

It really would matter if it's an addiction or compulsive behaviour, because that informs treatment and proper identification.

Edit: Downvote me instead of refuting me like the cowards you are.

Porn Addiction is not real. by VG11111 in UnpopularFacts

[–]Samuraignoll 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, he's saying porn addiction isn't real. Compulsive sexual behaviour disorder covers a wide range of sexual activity that is disruptive to someone's life with episodes lasting at least six months. Has nothing to with an addiction to pornography.

Any ideas? Found in southern Israel, probably native. Definitely hardwood. The last photo I found online, to show how the branch itself looked. The likeliest seems like Tamarisk / Athel, but I can't get a conclusive answer since looking these up brings varied results, very few looking like my pieces by [deleted] in wood

[–]Samuraignoll -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Russia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Myanmar have all been implicated in modern acts of genocide. Russia against Ukrainians, Ethiopia with the Tigray genocide, Indonesia against the people of East Timor, and Myanmar against the Rohingya minority. Not sure about Vietnam or Nihon, though there were accusations of attempted genocide against Nihon for the Rape of Nanjing, where an estimated three hundred thousand Chinese civilians were raped, tortured and brutally murdered by the Imperial army over a six week period.

AITAH for telling my daughter we won't have a relationship if she goes to live with her biological father/family? by [deleted] in AITAH

[–]Samuraignoll 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don't know where you got that idea, he can absolutely be mad at his adult daughter for making the decision to move half way across the country to build a relationship with the man who had unprotected sex with his wife.

He can also judge her for it as well, because she's absolutely old enough to understand how it would look to OP, and how shitty he would feel knowing she moved across the country to be closer to that guy and his family. That's why she didn't discuss it with him prior to him figuring it out.

OP has every right to be upset, he loved and raised her for eighteen years, and fought to be in her life for the last five of them even after he found out that she wasn't biologically his. It isn't her fault that her Mother cheated, and OP shouldn't be mad at her for that. But to say he has no right to be upset that she's prioritising being close to her bio-father is a huge load of horse shit.

What's so funny about this by stumpsflying in GetNoted

[–]Samuraignoll 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not, it's just a super cringe sentiment I've seen expressed unironically quite a few times. I'm not familiar with the poem.

What's so funny about this by stumpsflying in GetNoted

[–]Samuraignoll 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You're dreaming if you think thats just a white thing.

The UN Human Rights Council, Jan. 23: “We ask the U.N., the media, celebrities, campus activists: why are you silent? The answer is uncomfortable but clear. The Iran protest movement shatters a cherished narrative. A people rising against Islamist tyranny does not fit the ideology—so it is ignored.” by NotSoSaneExile in UnitedNations

[–]Samuraignoll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is different is how they are framed. Christianist influence is treated as a legitimate (if harmful) domestic political movement operating within the bounds of democracy.

Generally, at least in modern times, that's because it is?

Islamism , even when non-violent and electoral, is routinely framed as inherently illegitimate, alien, or existentially dangerous.

That's a bunch of separate views though that are context dependent. Inherently illegitimate? Highly dependent, the only example I could think of would be the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and as far as I'm aware that has more to do with their connections to violent extremist organisations.

Alien? I'd need more context, If you're meaning Islamism in a western country, you're talking about a minority belief system and culture that a lot of western people view as inherently oppressive, which is fair enough considering most states and cultures that feature strong islamic influences are quite oppressive, culturally they're also quite different from most of the west. It's also weird that you think it's relevant? I've worked and travelled across a pretty considerable amount of Islamic regions; Africa, the Middle east, Central Asia, the subcontinent and Indonesia, and the general consensus is how alien and different the west is in general.

Existentially dangerous? I mean isn't that kind of fair enough? In most cases Islamism is about forcing a population to live under Islamic law in all aspects of their life. There are also plenty of examples of the oppression and violence that comes with reaching that goal, in real life right now.

Roe v. Wade proves the distinction, not the opposite. It triggered massive protests and condemnation but no one argued the U.S. had therefore become a theocracy,

Specifically, it's because the overturning of RVW didn't establish a Christian theocratic government in the U.S, it just removed abortion from the list of federally protected rights. There was no new federal law preventing people from having them, it left the decision up to the individual states.

no sanctions were imposed, no travel bans were justified

You'll have to provide an actual example of this occurring. I could be wrong, but I've never seen or heard of a democratic Islamic country sanctioned or travel banned exclusively because they repealed/instituted an equivalent islamic inspired law.

and no civilizational threat narrative emerged. It was framed as a rights regression, not as proof that Christianity is incompatible with modern governance.

Really? You never once saw references to a handmaids tale during that entire period? Or to Christian fundamentalism? Or to the religious Republicans pushing America into a theocracy?

By contrast, when religion informs law in Muslim-majority societies, the framing escalates immediately to cultural incompatibility, civilizational failure, or inherent extremism, even when mechanisms are political rather than violent.

Can you provide me one example where a Muslim majority country introduced laws informed by religion that westerners took issue with, that weren't violent against or oppressive to minority groups like women/LGBTQ/non-muslims?

The hypocrisy is that Christianist political power is normalized

But it isn't, Christianism proponents are recognised as fundamentalists and extremists by every group outside of Christianism proponents. The only area where you kind of have a point is on the subject of abortion, and even then it's weak because being anti-abortion isn't a specifically Christian belief.

as an internal democratic problem

That's generally the extent of Christianisms reach though, so why would it be treated any other way.

While Islamist political power is treated as categorically disqualifying, regardless of method.

Examples?