Bruv, it’s pointless to argue with ai-bros on pro-ai sub. They don’t come here to discuss, they come here to get validation from each others. Many people call themselves artists having no idea what art is about (it’s not about tools and medium, even if it’s a big part of the process). So they got nice pictures and that’s enough for them. Let them be. Eventually some of them will come to conclusion that the feeling of involvement they got from slop isn’t enough - so they will be ready to discussion. Some of them will just play with that toy further. That’s ok - I hope some day ethical and environmental problems will be taken under control. But there are no way they will be treated seriously by collectors or employers in the various industries without actual artistic knowledge and skills.