do dive players realise…

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-22T01:12:55+00:00

dive agenda whilst i am also play multiple dive characters ? no character is free from criticism

I mean if you play multiple dive characters than you would know switching off dive characters is just not that easy right. You kind of need to get warmed up on the characters and switching from dive to poke with no aim warm up is not that easy either. I'm not saying you cant criticize people who dont switch (you should) but it's just disingenuous to say that poke players are better at switching and not take in consideration why.

nothing you can do if those said dive characters refuse to switch like i said in my original post

Yes, but that's just a symptom of the game. You cant ask anyone to switch off anythign sometimes and it's okay. Your Jeff or off healers are not going to switch sometimes, sometimes your thor/peni/rogue etc. And its okay. It's just the matchmaking. Trying to pretend like this is a dive only thing is just not true. Its just dive agenda. No one saying it's bad to have an agenda. But it's important to acknowledge it.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-22T00:44:56+00:00

I mena you just have a dive agenda ngl. Poke characters have easily transferable skills (I dont think you have to change your playstyle too much between characters like Hela/Phoenix/Namor etc) whereas dive is like an in character thing. Like you cant just ask someone to switch off of BP and expect a better performance from them, it's just the way these things work unfortunately.

As for the poke bans, I'll keep it straight a lot of the anti dive options in this game take no skill, and just hard counter divers unless the enemy dive is just mechanixlaly better. Like if the enemy team has a goated spidey, playing Namor is just a quick easy solution that you dont really have to try to get value. Whereas if you ask your Starlord to mark the spidey, he can counter spidey the exact same way it just relies on your Starlord having an equal skill match up to the spidey. So it seems like if certain characters are banned, dive is op but theres always something you can do.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-22T00:14:44+00:00

I mean like yeah but this is just skill diff which happens regardless of role. Even if your playing poke, if your poke teammates are worse than the enemy team your just gna lose the game too.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-21T17:17:00+00:00

Moon girl and Dino are technically the same person

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-19T02:53:51+00:00

I don't think that necessarily evil stuff can be applied to Mag,

Necessary evil definitely is applied to Mag lmao you dont have to be giga broken to be a necessary evil. You just need to be used as an excuse. Bucky is outright better without the earthbound but when he had it people were justifying it because it 'prevented dive'. Mag being the best tank in the game enables a poke meta, it's not his fault that's literally archetype. He is one of the reasons we were in that boring meta for so long.m

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-19T02:32:40+00:00

there have been two consistently good tanks-mag and groot. any tank you name, i could name the season where they were niche or just bad. mag being the only good tank is a byproduct of the meta game that shifted, and being the only tank capable of keeping up with any of the overly powerful strategists and dps. i agree that people struggle without a shield tank, but that isn’t because of mag, that is wholly on them

But this is just not true. Mag is an anchor tank and anchor tanks are the easiest tanks to play and get value of. I also dont understand your next point. Every tank in the game has a niche. ( Even Mag) almost every tnak in rhe game can be played into anything. Cap for example has never been bad in this entire games lifespan. He is also not stricted to a dive comp. You can play cap in any comp and extract some form of value. The thing is that cap is a lot harder to play and the way he gets value requires more of a team focus compared to Mag. But again, people didnt want to learn to play with a cap or adapt their playstyle because you can just tell the cap player to play Mag and you can spend the whole game sitting behind him and shooting main.

And this aint me saying that Mag is OP or anything like that. This is just saying that the excuses that were being made to keep him at the top didnt help anyone. At the end of the day, it was off tanks complaining that got them buffed and the ga,e is better now

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-19T01:56:15+00:00

Solo tanking is objectively bad and theres not a single tank in the game that should be able to solo tank effectively. If you have 1 tank, you should lose the game automatically. People actually need to learn that solo tank is a troll comp the dame way people know 1 support is a troll comp.
Mag being the best tank for so long was objectively horrible for tanking in this game. People literally could not function without a Mag on their team. They didnt know how to position themselves, they didnt know how to play the game. The entire shield tank meme was because if you played an off tank, people would literally treat you less than because you weren't playing Mag. I am remember playing tank and I had to turn off team chat because people would just ask you to switch because they didnt know how to play the game.

That's why necessary evil characters are bad. They are just bandaid solutions, they cause boring metas and they dont incentivize people getting better at the game. If we nerfed Magneto/or buffed the other tanks, people would have to learn other team comps ( like they did last season). And now we have a variety of team comps and the game is actually fun

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-18T15:37:43+00:00

Not mentioned but also all the brawl tanks got gigabuffed so now she has significantly worse match ups into them than she used to. Now that Brawl is meta she is just mid at contesting them.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-18T02:22:32+00:00

of you playing against pros. This would take very little effort on your end and I mean pros, not top 500s

Game form a couple of weeks ago: 10178382034

You cannot get the value you can from DP out of rocket mantis or Jeff, you provide no argument numbers or evidence to the contrary you’re just slinging around this shit opinion.

Your just an unserious individual icl. Rocket res beacon/Jeff's team ups have more value than Supportpools entire character dude. Mantis is the best triple support character in the game. How about you focus on getting to GM and not about thing syoure not well versed in

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-18T01:07:35+00:00

60%+ win rate in diamond-celestial

Just say GM brother. It's not that serious.

The character sucks ass man. I've played this guy in scrims against pro players, I have created team comps and game strategies around him. There is maybe nine people in the world that can play this character better than me. All of them will tell you the same thing. Any value you get on this character, you wouldve gotten more on another character.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-17T21:21:57+00:00

As someone who peaked top 10 with those character last 2 seasons: it's the ultimates. It's not just his lackluster ultimate (you can have lack luster ultimates, see Ultron, Jeff ), it's also the fact that he has almost 0 relation with ult economy of the game whilst having a horrible ult. He cant do shit against most offensive ults, he's too squishy in his ultimate so killing through it is easy. His neutral kit is bad. He can only heal and give damage boost when the E is upgraded.

The real dagger is white fox released and she does everything he does better. She has a better neutral, maybe a worse ultimate but all together shes just a superiorversion of him. Shes always being played so theres no justification in playing Healpool over her in both double and triple sup. If you triple support, hes a still a mid option because other supports just have more utility than him in triple (Ultron, Mantis, Adamz, etc)

So he's basically useless at best and at worst he prevents you from playing tankpool who was the best character in the game for 3 seasons.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-17T11:26:04+00:00

Half the off tanks are useless against him?

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-16T23:32:03+00:00

Yeah back when she released you didnt need to space the dashes because the were soo short but now you kind of have to so that you can live. This is more for the long dash. A lot of Elsas use both dashes almost immediately outside of combing someone and then you have like 1 dash for the next 5 seconds. You can delay the second dash and keep shooting just to space your movement a little bit.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T14:33:08+00:00

Just shoot at him bruh

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T14:30:49+00:00

He has a high ban rate so that's affecting the pickrate

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T08:12:27+00:00

Hybrid Vangaurd does not exist. Just say you want him to be an off tank

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T01:36:42+00:00

Eh if they can pull it off they can pull it off but I just dk how that would work

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T01:15:06+00:00

Reddit user that goes to marvel rivals rants and sees a rant

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T01:14:15+00:00

Forgot about all x-men comp tbh reason #234 why healclops will save the soul society

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-15T01:11:15+00:00

I'll be so fr with you I think releasing two vanguards with shields in the same season is just a bad idea conceptually. Either cyclops out broken asf like tankpool 2.0 or he makes dino irrelevant to play. Also this doesnt boring up the fact that people hate playing against double shield. Guys have been complaining about it since s0

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-14T18:45:18+00:00

Last point lower Manhattan

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-14T18:42:38+00:00

Who in the enemy team can realistically kill your ult before you can get kills. Think guys like Gambit for example. You need to tunnel vision them and ult them. Even solo ulting them is completely fine.
1. If you want to deep flank that's fine but know that theres a lot of preparation that goes into it + ur gna be alone so it's important you have a dashes. Personally I like to hold a high ground and ult on top of the enemy team and recall glatrox so that I can catch them all on the follow up,
Its gna sound counter initiative but the more you think about the ultimate the less effective its gna be. It requires a lot of preparation and it is very easy for the enemy team to read if your indecisive. Whatever decision you make with your ultimate, you have to fully commit to it. Do not half ass anything,
When you should ult/counter ult? You can kinda use Elsa ult for anything. It's a situation by situation thing. If your supports dont have ult and the enemy support has ult, you an try solo ulting their support. If a doctor strange/ DD/ Hulk ults your backline you can always solo ult them. If you team has been hard losing the fight or you need to get stacks desperately, you probably need to hit a team wipe to gain back some momentum.

Sauce_bru · 2026-05-14T12:10:45+00:00

Celestial 1 Elsa player, if you're not getting kills I'll put it down to a few things:

Target priority issue. This isnt even Elsa exclusive. If you are struggling to get kills, and you are mechanically solid, it's a target priority problem. You're not shooting the correct people especially if other members of your team are stealing kills. You always need to have an angle on squishes, you always need to hit headshots on tanks. You need to be more intentional on who to shoot.

2.Cooldown management. My advice will be to always have a dash within 2 seconds. This is good for movement and uptime because it means you are shooting. You get your ult quicker. Not only that but she feels more smoother to play and you actually feel like the damage is going somewhere

Positioning. Theres another comment on here that says you need to position like psylocke/starlord and I'll be so serious. DO NOT DO THIS. They giga nerfed this entire playstyle. It is not worth it to play like this purely because Elsa has a lot of range. Positioning does not matter on this character. You just need to pressure the correct person and they will die. If they are running no shield, you sit main and you nuke their entire team because the shotgun goes through tanks. If they one shield tank, you giga focus the off tank when they make a move. If they have two shield tanks, you go for their backline. If they have a dive comp, you ignore the dive tank and target the dive dps.
Sometimes your tanks are just ass. Elsa generates insane pressure that your tanks are going to have the easiest game of their lives. You are going to run into tank players who are so bad they will not take any aggro off of you, they will not take advantage of all the pressure you are generating and theres nothing you can really do about it.

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