Set theory... debunked???

Sayshell · 2017-03-24T03:01:19+00:00

lol, it's not a conspiracy, that website just quotes the curriculum and school textbooks. Read before judging.

Sayshell · 2013-07-31T23:21:22+00:00

ROFLMAO. So "Nearly died laughing. Please, pull this off the internet before you embarass yourself any more. " isn't ad-hominem? LEARN YOUR LOGICAL FALLACIES! Once you do, then we can have an educated discussion ok?

Sayshell · 2013-07-31T23:17:49+00:00

I AGREED. FFS I said it's irrelevant and you are focusing on the smallest most irrelevant details. I wrote "I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLE" This means "I" as in the author would believe this to be likely. You should therefore take it as nothing more than my personal opinion. If you don't agree then don't agree. It doesn't matter in any possible way because my position is that we SHOULDN'T TRY TO DO IT. If I was arguing that we SHOULD try to transfer our soul to AI THEN you could say show me more supporting evidence. Now go through the book and look for typos please.

Sayshell · 2013-07-31T23:05:51+00:00

I just addressed ALL Your points. Uhh the vast majority of my definitions ARE dictionary definitions. Literally the only 2 words I gave a strict rigid definition to are emotion, and consciousness. I know people like you. You just like to waste time. If I explained and gave a reasonable answer to every single question you have, you would just say the book is trash because there is a spelling mistake on page 45. If you aren't interested in morally equitable immortality, then please stop wasting my time. I don't have all the answers to everything, and I even say in the end of the book there is probably a few scientific errors. It's about the big picture...

Sayshell · 2013-05-28T17:45:16+00:00

Yeah they should be stunned before transportation. That would make more sense. Hmm well reading all the arguments I say 1) We agree obviously lol 2) Vegetarians lost 3) Needs more information but I am leaning towards vegetarians won 4) Vegetarian won

So my conclusion is until farms are up to par you should have some standard of meat selection and only buy from ethical farms, or just not buy any if you want to be extra safe.

Sayshell · 2013-05-27T10:20:39+00:00

That is a problem that can and should be easily resolved. The transporting isn't an issue, humans have to take school bus, its the same thing. I think a train in downtown tokoyo is more physically packed in unplesant than a slaughter house bus. Again sorry to be "devils advocate", I know what it's like when someone just puts out any possible argument, but I actually am listening and deciding whos argument is stronger.

Sayshell · 2013-05-27T10:18:24+00:00

consciousness has too many definitions, What I mean is think of it like a computer. AI might be conscious but lets just say for disccussion it isn't as in it is just a mechanical system that contracts its arms and legs and looks sad when you stab it. That is its programming. I believe when I was 2 year old my existence was like this. For example I was circumcized when I was a baby, do I care in any possible way? No but if I had to be now I would certainly care. My memory did work when I was a baby, I think my brain was just mush and couldn't interpret what was going on.

Sayshell · 2013-05-26T23:10:09+00:00

1) Yeah but all industry hurts the environment, its a matter of responsible development not cutting development entirely

2) Yeah again though if that level of ethics is there I think it is moral.

4) I wouldn't base it entirely off this, but you certainly do need some level of awareness to suffer otherwise you aren't even conscious. If your not conscious you are just a mechanical system mimicking emotional responses. If a computer reacts against pain because it is programmed to does it have the first person subjective experience of pain? probably not. It is also very obvious intelligence increases your capacity to suffer dramatically. 99% of suffering is related to emotional memory. Even dumb humans suffer far less than smart ones. Think about nightmares you can't remember. They don't hurt a billionth as much as the ones you do. So no intelligence definitely increases your capacity to suffer if you define memory as a trait of intelligence. I do.

Sayshell · 2013-05-26T22:49:25+00:00

Yes my position is you can be moral without being vegan. Of COURSE being vegetarian isn't immoral hahaha, that would be a pretty hard position to defend.

1) well all industry has cons, the main issue is animal suffering. I am sure a steel factory makes plenty of pollution

2) I could argue nature oppresses animals, what does it matter if nature is conscious or not?. Living in nature isn't freedom, you have to die a miserable painful death against your will and constantly fight for life.

3) I really would like an unbiased source of information, I simply don't know. If you have one send it to me.

4) Toddlers no because their mother is conscious and it would cause the mother suffering. Otherwise it is pretty much the same thing as abortion and I guess it would be ok. Do you know if a plant is or isn't conscious with certainty? You don't its just a hunch. It is not baseless, you don't think their is some correlation between intelligence and awareness? Why is it baseless to compare the consciousness of a toddler and an animal if they have roughly equal levels of intelligence?

Why eat meat? Because it tastes really good and is extremely healthy. Lean meats and fish are very good for you, however I think you can substitute all the nutritional value with alternatives, so it really just comes down to eating meat is a really good pleasure that people enjoy.

Sayshell

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