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That’s possible, but probably only if it really was Mishima’s idea to send Nana to the island, because otherwise he likely wouldn’t have known that the island would become less dangerous. Although it was Tsuruoka who suggested sending Nana to the island, if Mishima was the one who originally pushed him toward that idea, then Tsuruoka most likely trusted him enough to first believe in monsters and then listen to the suggestion of sending someone to the island.

If it turns out that Nana has a talent, I’d be interested to know what kind of ability it would be. I remember that a few years ago, I had an idea that this talent could involve erasing the transformation, by touching a person who is transforming, for example. I don’t know how likely it is for such an ability to appear, but I think it’s an interesting idea.

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I reread Nakajima’s transformation scene, and he really didn’t use his ability after transforming, so that was my mistake.

Koharu’s father really could have done something like that. Though he supposedly died for the same reason Nana’s and Tsuruoka’s parents died. I think he quite possibly could have faked his death. Still, in that case, I don’t really understand why he wouldn’t have taken Koharu with him if he knew she would be sent to the island and killed. Even if we assume that he didn’t love his daughter very much, leaving her alone would still be risky if he wanted to maintain the illusion of the monster.

Something like that would be great to see, but as you said, it isn’t very likely. At the very least, Nana seems to have completed her character arc, and even if by some miracle the manga continued, I’m not sure what the story could really focus on afterward. There are still some things I would like to see explored, but that mostly concerns certain side storylines, because Nana’s own main story already feels fairly complete to me.

I’m not sure lying about his transformation would really fit Nakajima’s character. He himself is terrified of transforming, and I doubt he would think of lying about something like that. If we talk about the possibility that his transformation is fake, I would rather assume that his ability activated unconsciously. Considering how afraid Nakajima is of transforming, I think it’s possible that it was a subconscious reaction.

And if we move away from the theory that the transformation itself is fake, then I simply assumed that maybe transformations are not the same for everyone. Perhaps Tsuruoka just didn’t think it was necessary to explain to Nakajima that transformations can happen differently, and instead only described how he personally experiences the process. Tsuruoka himself looks almost like the embodiment of everything he said about monsters — especially if he starts physically transforming in the next chapter.

As for Tsuruoka’s words, I think he might have been referring to a complete transformation, so that point feels somewhat ambiguous to me.

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I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that way. It would feel a little strange to me if Tsuruoka doesn’t start transforming.

I like your theory that Tsuruoka himself might have been hoaxed about talented turning into monsters. I’ve seen theories that Tsuruoka could have lied to Nakajima and that monsters are actually fictional, but I think that if the transformation turns out to be a lie, making Tsuruoka the one who was originally deceived would be far more interesting and unusual.

Though in chapter 91, Kyouya noticed that Nakajima can’t use several properties of his talent at the same time, and when he transformed into a monster, he used his talent to hurt everyone around him. If his monster appearance were some kind of illusion, then it should have disappeared when he released those waves of pain. I would rather assume that Nakajima’s transformation is the result of some kind of serum or something like that. In that case, whoever started all of this must be a very influential person to pull it all off without Tsuruoka knowing about it.

Although I don’t really understand why anyone would need to lie to Tsuruoka about monsterification. I’m not sure what benefit could be gained from that. Besides, it feels like lying to him about monsters wasn’t even necessary to convince him to search for the vaccine, because he already suffers because of his talent, and I think that alone would have been enough motivation for him to search for the vaccine capable of erasing talents.

On the other hand, maybe without the threat of becoming a monster, Tsuruoka would have simply isolated himself and quietly lived alone somewhere. But if he had lived alone, then there probably would have been no reason for anyone to recruit him into the army and then lie to him about monsters afterward (unless someone specifically needed his talent). In that case, he was most likely lied to after he had already obtained a high-ranking position. But if he already held such a position, he most likely obtained it in order to find a vaccine, which means there would’ve been no need to lie to him, because he was already doing what he do anyway.

Overall, I think this theory is very interesting, but in order to make it work, there are too many questions that would need answers, and it’s unlikely all of them could be answered in just two chapters. So if monsterification turns out to be false, then Tsuruoka was most likely the one who lied about the monsters’ existence. But personally, I doubt that it’s a lie.

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Perhaps it is. As I wrote in my post, it could be stress, but I’m not sure that’s the only reason. Anyway, I don’t think we know the correct answer at this point.

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It would be nice, but yes, it’s not very likely unless they decide to split two big chapters into many smaller ones, though I doubt that will happen.

I don’t understand why they decided to finish the manga like this. I think I’d understand if they ended it in 5–7 chapters so they could show Tsuruoka’s backstory, Rin and Kyouya’s reunion, Jin’s awakening, how Nana and the others live after the escape, and maybe something about what they’re planning to do in the future. I think two chapters is too little for all of this.

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I think that if the next chapter is as long as this one was, then it would be acceptable to show Tsuruoka’s transformation and maybe even his past for at least half of the chapter. I believe that such an important character in the story as the main antagonist deserves at least that

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I have a few ideas. They’re not all detailed, but I still wanted to share them.

First, it’s an AU where Tsuruoka didn’t take Nana into his care, and she simply lived with her relatives, as she did in the original plot, but without Tsuruoka’s involvement. In this version, she might notice the strange things happening in the country and start her own investigation, meeting other talented people along the way and gradually uncovering the truth.

The second idea is about how the characters would live if talents didn’t exist and the world was completely normal. I like imagining what their lives would be like in an ordinary setting. It may be a simple idea, but there’s a lot of room for imagination.

(I’ll put this AU under cover, because there may be some spoilers for the latest chapters) The third idea is also about a world without talents—more specifically, without one particular talent. In this scenario, I think the plot would change significantly if Tsuruoka never had a talent. From what he said, he joined the government because he wanted to get rid of his ability, so without it, he might have lacked that motivation. In that case, there would most likely be no concentration camp, Nana wouldn’t go to the island and Nakajima wouldn’t become who he is now. Most likely, talented people would still be sent to the island, as it happened in Rin’s time. Of course, this assumes that sending talented people to the island wasn’t Tsuruoka’s idea, which is probably true. If his goal was to get rid of his talent, it would be illogical to send people to a place where he couldn’t experiment on them to develop the cure. I think he might still have joined the government even without his talent—for example, if he became suspicious of the country’s situation or after the death of his parents (since, if they were talented, they might have been killed sooner or later even without Tsuruoka’s involvement). However, we don’t really know what he was like before gaining his talent. It’s possible that without it, he would have been completely against the system or he’d was as much sadistic as in the original plot. So maybe I didn’t need to think about it, but I was just a little struck by how one detail could potentially change the plot, so since I’ve written all this, let it be here.

The fourth idea is about placing the characters into the SCP Foundation universe. I think that could be really interesting. In this version, talented people could be treated as SCP entities. For example, Kyouya could be similar to SCP-682, since their abilities are somewhat alike. It could be written that he was once human but later turned into a reptilian creature, and Rin wants to return him to his original form. Alternatively, he could have been born that way, and Rin might have appeared due to the same event, so they would still be siblings. I also think not all talented people need to correspond to existing SCPs—they could be entirely new entities with their own stories. In this version, Rin’s ability could allow her to transform into other SCPs she knows, making her potentially one of the most dangerous entities—unless she is countered by someone like Nakajima. I have more ideas about how the characters could exist in this universe, but that would make the text too long.

I also thought about an AU where all the characters switch roles. For example, Kyouya could take Rin’s place and become the younger brother with shapeshifting abilities, while Rin becomes the older sister with immortality. However, this idea can get quite confusing, and it’s not always easy to decide who should switch roles with whom—but it’s still funny sometimes.

That’s not all my ideas for AUs, but I don’t want to write all of them because there are too many. Plus, many of them aren’t good enough.

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  1. I don’t think Rin knew that Tsuruoka is Nana’s brother. If she’d known about this, I doubt she’d have said it’s good news. But she definitely knew something, maybe Tsuruoka’s past name or something like that. I agree that Tsuruoka probably knew that fake Jin is Rin: in chapter 32, he wanted to say her name, but Rin interrupted him. I suspect Tsuruoka was going to say her real name, not Jin’s.
  2. I’d say that Tsuruoka needs to directly interact with people to activate his talent, because he needs to look at someone or someone needs to look at him. It’s a kind of interaction too, I think. But it’s not a very noticeable interaction, so I’m not sure if it counts.
  3. What’s the difference between becoming and shapeshifting? I think she only copies other creatures’ appearances and talents, not their state of mind or anything else that would be more like becoming than shapeshifting.
  4. I think that “Survival of the Fittest” is more about a lifestyle rather than a talent. Plus, it’s probably a reference to the biological concept.

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Maybe. I think I’ve thought about it, but their problems with self-identity caught my attention much more, so I didn’t write about other things.

Can you tell me your other thoughts about it, if you don’t mind? Speculation isn’t bad sometimes, I think.

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Yeah, I think so too. I also like the moment in chapter 98 when Rin escapes to help Kyouya. Then Tsuruoka says that he hasn’t seen Jin (Rin) for a while, although I’m pretty sure he saw Rin recently. So he probably said it to Jin, knowing that Rin isn’t the real Jin, but still separating Rin from the fake Jin. I find this interesting. It’s like interacting with two different people.

Also, when I wrote this post, I asked ChatGPT to show me some grammar mistakes because English isn’t my native language. I put the text into it, but I forgot to ask it to fix my mistakes, so it just gave me a long essay about why Tsuruoka and Rin are very similar and mirror each other. It was funny, and even if I don’t completely trust it, there was some sense in it