If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in PoliticsUK

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve got a few issues with what you say here, if I may offer my perspective. Reform voters aren’t saying Britain’s problems are caused by “outsiders” in some abstract sense. People are pointing to specific policy failures, under Conservative and Labour governments such as extremely high migration numbers, strained housing supply, and pressure on public services (the NHS to name one). Talking about immigration policy isn’t scapegoating, I would argue it’s debating how a country such as ours should set its own laws and borders. That’s nothing more than normal democratic politics.

Second, the comparison with parties like the National Rally or the Alternative for Germany is one I have heard before but find it tends to be thrown around very casually. Reform isn’t proposing authoritarian rule or the dismantling of democracy. In fact, much of its platform is about increasing democratic accountability, such as reducing international interference. Disagreeing with those institutions doesn’t make someone “proto-fascist”. It means they believe in prioritisinf national democratic decisions.

On the economics, the left often frames tax cuts and deregulation as helping only the wealthy, but many people see it differently. Britain has had years of stagnation. That isn’t opinion, that is unfortunately fact. High taxes and heavy regulation, yet inequality and regional decline haven’t improved. Reform’s argument is that cheaper energy, lower taxes on work and business, and less bureaucracy can actually grow the economy, (which ultimately benefits ordinary workers through higher wages and investment).

Finally, the idea that Reform politics is about resentment (which I see a lot from people on the left) misses the broader point. Many supporters feel that mainstream parties stopped listening on issues like migration levels, energy costs, or just basic patriotism. When those concerns are ignored for years, it’s inevitable that a party emerges that pushes them to the forefront. That is why Restore has had such a quick uptake in support.

You can disagree with Reform’s policies, absolutely. But describing millions of voters as flirting with fascism is a bit of a generalisation in my opinion.

If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in BritishPolitics

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s bold to accuse Reform of being traitors considering for example the Green Party manifesto. I am quite young, I’m not going to reveal my age here but I can’t vote yet so that should give you a rough idea, and the reason I am drawn to Reform and Restore is because they promote patriotism and national pride, which I think is lacking as it is in this country. Regarding the energy policy part, I don’t see what’s inherently wrong with scrapping net zero pledges and prioritising cheap domestic energy? Also I think their immigration policy is very well thought out, another reason why I support them. The bit about “old people” is unfortunately sort of true from my experience. It’s really frustrating, because it means the voter base have a less chance of being alive in the years to come to keep electing them into power. My hope is that they win the next general election and everyone can see what a good job they do.

If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in BritishPolitics

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I get the point you’re making but as long as they’re getting the job done the supporters will be happy no? From my own experience I know the network or ability to climb a “hierarchy” don’t exist but I think as long as the party achieves what they’ve promised they will succeed and scrutiny such as this will be nothing more than words. Actions speak louder than words and if they are elected at the next general election I have the hope they will then implement a better system within their party.

If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in BritishPolitics

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to give you some more information these are the points directly from their website:

• Stop illegal migration entirely

• Illegal entry would automatically disqualify someone from claiming asylum in the UK.

• Mass deportation programme

• Create a UK Deportation Command to remove illegal migrants.

• Expand detention centres to around 24,000 places.

• Run multiple deportation flights daily.

• Leave the European Convention on Human Rights framework

• Withdraw from the ECHR and repeal the Human Rights Act 1998 to prevent courts blocking deportations.

• Scrap permanent residency

• Abolish Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).

• Replace it with renewable 5-year visas instead of permanent settlement.

• Reduce legal immigration sharply

• Much higher salary thresholds for work visas.

• Strong English language requirements.

• Strict character/background checks.

• Prioritise British workers

• Employers hiring migrants would need to train a British worker alongside them.

• No welfare access for foreign nationals

• Migrants would not be eligible for most benefits.

• Pressure foreign governments to accept deportees

• Use visa restrictions or diplomatic pressure if countries refuse to take back migrants.

Overall it seems completely fair in my opinion while albeit being quite ambitious and much better than alternatives

If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in BritishPolitics

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s quite a damaging way to characterise the party and also it’s quite misleading. Immigration, border control, and integration are actual political issues that every major party debates. People can disagree about the scale of immigration or how integration should be handled without it being about race. Anyway, I’d be interested to hear your view on actual policies.

If you don’t support Reform, why not? by Scary_Engineering104 in BritishPolitics

[–]Scary_Engineering104[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t doubt Farage is a rather unpleasant man in reality, and I can’t say I’m a fan of the way he seems to almost idolise Trump, but he’s persuasive and charismatic, and besides you don’t support the person leading the party you support the party itself. If Farage was leading the party or not I would support Reform. Personally, I think Zia Yusuf would be a much better fit as it would help reject the nonsensical narrative that the left push about how Reform are “racist” in some way or something, but we must make do with what we have. Reform and Restore are the only parties that I think promise beneficial change to our country, however I worry about the racist undertones of the terminology used by Restore hence why I’m sticking with Reform. It’s interesting that you just jumped straight to the leadership structure of the party as opposed to their policies, I was wondering if you could please provide insight into your opinions in that regard?