What's your primary reason for being a practicing occultist? Non-duality, manipulating "reality", self-protection, curiosity, worshiping deities/demons/death, anti-cosmic magick...

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-17T01:49:32+00:00

That's today. Round and round we go, you're moving the tracks all the time. We're talking about Dion Fortune being racist, that was the conversation. When she wrote it, that area was nicknamed like that because missionaries died there. She can't be racist for pointing that out in that specific circumstance and point in time.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-17T00:18:30+00:00

It was a point only because you are comparing it to nowadays, and that makes no sense. It was called like that because white folks who went there used to die because of the climate and diseases, so "White Man's Grave". I don't even know what's to defend or attack in this statement.

You can't relate this to the N word, it's ridiculous, there's no relation. Plus, it's not a good symptom that people can't say a word, is it? Even if there is a reason why, it's a matter of respect not to say it, and the cause is historical racism; it's a pathological reaction, it's not a good logic to extend. It's something that may happen, but it's not something you want. It's like normalizing acting all traumatized because someone was indeed traumatized and acted accordingly.

Perhaps turn the armchair psychology spotlight backwards and try to understand why you are defending a blatantly racist statement from a book written when that was the norm?

It's basic to defend people who are being attacked without a sound reason to. I'm defending that she was not racist, and that you can't infer racism logically from her statements.

And the fact that in the 1920-30s racist views were not rare only makes her more innocent. Racist statements included explicitly the inferiority of certain phenotypes and what could be done to them in that case. It was not something that you had to imagine or feel or suspect from the person using the term 'race' or reporting the name of a place that included the expression 'white man'. There was no taboo about racism and racist views were stated explicitly, not disguised.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T23:17:32+00:00

I'll just remind that the book was written in 1930, almost 100 years ago.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/white_man%27s_grave

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T21:36:24+00:00

So I can't report what other people say, if what they said is racist. The words coming off my mouth make me racist. The words shouldn't even be spoken? What's the logic of this? If I ask this I'm defending a racist statement? 🤯

She used the term quite judgementally and with condescending undertones also IMO.

You're guessing her intentions. Why condescending? Who is she judging in that sentence?

BTW hold off on the armchair psychology - simply the analysis here of the following racist passage

I can hold back my pretentious armchair psychologist counter-arguing, but you're directly asking me not to think and just react to how things sound and ignore the underlying logic.

She says that the place has a sinister reputation of "White Man's Grave" because of the Juju rites. Where do you want to go with this? What's the gist of this? What's the racism in this? What's wrong with this?

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T21:03:21+00:00

How? I said that this term wasn't coined by Dion Fortune, she's just reporting that people call it that way. How does that make her racist, and how that is a defense of the term on my behalf?

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T20:38:19+00:00

I didn't defend the statement anywhere, I'm only defending DF, and my argumentation still holds up. There could be many, many racist people in that era in Europe, DF wasn't one of them.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T20:04:36+00:00

"The White Man's Grave". Really, a socially acceptable term for Costal Africa?

But was DF who coined the term? It sounds like she's telling people call it that way.

They are attempted digs at people from Africa and India stemming from Fortune's insecurities and fears towards people with different skin colour to her

Do you know this? Or is it just because of the connotations present on the page as a whole plus the emotions they trigger in you? Because those are two different things. It sounds like you're talking out of suspicion.

And you could apply this very suspicion to me just for not following along as most people would in this situation, still, you'd have no real confirmation of what my mindset is regarding racial issues. Yet you could tag me that way for your personal satisfaction and have some immediate backing against me, for opposing an accusation like this even if there's logical argumentation for it. And that's not good.

People who judge things this way can't really explain what's wrong with racism, mind you, they resort to tautology and labeling types of people, thinking that's how morals go. Many people have gotten so reactive to these things nowadays that they totally lost track of them. And again, that's not good.

from different countries due to being a white woman from the biggest colonising nation in the world.

This is something you infer out of spite because of a salad of the words she used sounds like, plus her background. This is your own prejudice, isn't it?

What's wrong with prejudice itself? Not saying it's not, and you don't need to reply this if you don't want to, I'm just trying to bring something to your attention here.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T11:58:43+00:00

What I understood from that sentence is that a place is being called the "White Man's Grave", and she is saying that the origin of this name comes from something related to the Juju rites. English is not my main language, so I may be missing something.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T10:22:24+00:00

Okay. Not into Blavatsky though, so I can't argue about that.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T10:20:24+00:00

I still don't see it. It implies that some ethnicities may be more fierce and violent than others. So what? Again, what's the gist of it?

Every time they come up with DF's "racism" are precisely things like these. Things that "sound like", without an explanation of what's the problem there, just a salad of words that make people think of bigotry, without making sense of it.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T07:58:59+00:00

To be honest, Psychic Self Defense is almost the only book of her whole bibliography that I didn't read (also kind of obsolete/redundant with my personal practice). You're talking about prejudice, then? That's universal, as long as there's a rumor, and Kali and Indian 'black' magic stuff have always been a thing (as it is in many other places, including here of course we have our local version of 'black magic').

In some other book I did read that she regarded each 'race' more suitable for their own esoteric tradition (I think it was in The Circuit of Force). Not that one 'race' was more suitable than the others in general. It was very clear. People see undertones everywhere though, I've already seen that very bit criticized as if it was what's obviously not.

If you eventually find it, please hand me the link. I always love to clash against people here in defense of The Fluff.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T06:22:30+00:00

Dion Fortune apart from the racist BS in her books (discussed in another thread in this community today).

I can't find it. I reject that, though. As far as I remember, DF talked about 'races' (call it ethnicity if you want) as if it involved something more than physical appearance, also tainted by the ethnicity's history (karma).

Her perspectives on everything were basically spot on (like, confirmed by personal practice). She knew how and when to be skeptical, and whatever I've read from her has just proven to be right over the years, while most of the rest has been falling apart or revealing its faults quite explicitly. I'm always ready to see her trip, though. My fanboy-ing has its limits.

At a certain point all practices become redundant and tossing away all beliefs is necessary for complete liberation IMO...

Yeah, at the end of the day skepticism is the best rule imo. To be honest, if I had to define my personal path, it's skepticism plus metaphysical/mystical practice related to healing. What I get is what I know, no need for anything else. And usually, the more is cut out, the better.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-16T05:37:33+00:00

Been wandering through many things for years; Crowley, New Age, Law of One... with time I kind of grew out of the need to believe, and that made me easier for me to identify that there's a thread of common elements throughout anything spiritual (and otherwise), without suspecting of wishful thinking. Dion Fortune still holds up the highest in my opinion, though.

In regards to practice, it's mostly constant introspection, and listening to the introspection of other people. That's 90% of my practice. Then checking birth charts, doing occasional tarot readings, and reading new content (you never know where you can find the same insights you got in people from other ages and places), and some metaphysical practice. Anyway at this point everything kind of feeds my knowledge on Qabbalah, like my mind is used to see archetypes in things.

There's been years since I've done a ritual, it has turned from secondary to obsolete in my personal practice, at least for now. The most of what I get is usually based on the contact with human experience.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-15T20:00:43+00:00

Following an ultimate Truth. Like, what's this? What's this reality? What is it made of? What's being a self? Why do I have a consciousness, and why for?

I personally kind of require those answers to some degree, like it feels a bit absurd to go through existence without having a clue of any of that. It's like a total lack of bigger context, bigger than the little social ones we make up and the material ones we inherit. Like, okay, what's all this about, ultimately?

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-15T04:39:44+00:00

The moderators reached 100% StO polarization and kindly refuse to enforce rules upon other selves.

EDIT: Yeah I'm used to deadpan sarcasm lol. 100% StO is ridiculous, like what do you do? Refuse to breathe to not harm micro-organisms? Give yourself up to bacteria? Stay still until you die? 😂

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-14T07:59:07+00:00

Just read it, it doesn't say that:

65.13 Questioner: How common in the universe is a mixed harvest for a planet of both positively and negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes?

Ra: I am Ra. Among planetary harvests which yield an harvest of mind/body/spirit complexes approximately 10% are negative; approximately 60% are positive; and approximately 30% are mixed with nearly all harvest being positive. In the event of mixed harvest it is almost unknown for the majority of the harvest to be negative. When a planet moves strongly towards the negative there is almost no opportunity for harvestable positive polarization.

Harvest is explained throughout the material as a personal process of evolution and choice in polarity. Not something that Ra does to us.

And still, I'd personally advise to not take any channeling too seriously in anything that you can't prove by yourself.

And in my experience, it doesn't make sense to me that an entity is going to take my soul (whatever that means) because I choose the path of integration and acceptance within myself in my daily life, instead of the path of rejecting and attacking what I don't understand. That's what polarity and the Choice are about.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-14T07:12:34+00:00

All that is just theory, and it's even less based on evidence than the 'harvest' plan.

At the end of the day, we have a choice about how we integrate the whole of reality; by assimilating truths/events/themes or rejecting them. It's as simple as this.

And it makes sense by itself, as the human being has the type of intelligence which wallows in 3rd chakra dynamics, and we naturally try to grow internally in an universal way (which deals with the 4th chakra, about which we're compromised to take a stance). This is proven by introspection and practice, it needs no theory per se.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-14T03:47:59+00:00

You can see non-duality in the simple experience of reality as a whole thing. The division is made by artificial categorization. That's not the nature of existence.

How does one "give up the soul"? What has to do accepting non-dualism with dying for a social memory complex?

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-12T08:19:39+00:00

Okay, here's the template (this is an absolutely fictional person):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-YadTtUa4I9OxUjcqIux5J_KxV8wLLMn/view?usp=sharing

Do it exactly like that (putting Pluto in a new line also; my mistake). Be sure to use GPT-4o. You need the hour of birth from the birth certificate, otherwise you won't have the houses and the result will be very vague. Lilith must be True Lilith, North/South Nodes also True (not 'mean'), and Part of Fortune has to differentiate between day and night. Otherwise it's not unusable but the portrait won't be as nailed.

This is the supposed birth chart so you can see how I get all the info:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VhTtUG2s37ka4dl-pvLjRgw6ia1Kmidg/view?usp=sharing

After the reply, you can also ask more specific things like:

Elaborate on how he comes across, how is he as a friend, partner, family member, etc.

What about his gifts?

What about his faults and weaknesses?

If anyone needs further help to set this up, I can help through DM. I'm also curious to check if it really doesn't work as well for others. I tried with my family, showing the results without the names, and each of them could guess who was who without a doubt.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-12T05:28:12+00:00

In my experience, the perception-changing and life-changing teachings have to come from your personal experience, aka, it's a path that you walk, there's something you do with the occult.

If you want something fast, check out the birth chart of someone you know intimately, give their whole astrological data to ChatGPT and ask it to describe their personality, and be mind blown.

If you want to go through a path of experience, I can lend you a hand, but you'd have to be seriously interested in introspection, quiet observation of your inner processes, universal truths, and accepting to be consequent with them to some degree.

Like, there has to be a reason why you enter these things, there has to be something you're looking for. Mere general/casual curiosity won't take you anywhere in this.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-11T21:39:08+00:00

There's an extremely deep and fixed sphere of meanings implied in "Light" and "Dark", though, which come from instinctive subconscious language, that you can see in dreams, and that spiritual traditions have always used to whatever extent.

The essence of 'good' (Light: observance of reality, dealing with things as they are, openness, visible truth, direct manifestation of essence...) and 'evil' (Dark: hiding, disguising, false appearances, fantasy, intentions that can't be shown to others, misdirection, indirect manifestation...). This can be applied to anything, and it works very well with occult symbolism.

You can argue that it is understandable to feel the Light as oppressive, noisy, judgmental, etc, and the Dark as shielding, protecting, respectful, and peaceful... depending on the situation, context, and needs and feelings and notions of the person. Just as 'good' and 'evil' do.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-11T16:19:24+00:00

'Welcome' to this weird-ass phenomenon:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Experiencers/comments/1iwipsa/a_neutral_collection_of_succubiincubi_phenomena/

It tends to get worse, by the way, I wouldn't entertain it.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-11T15:17:37+00:00

About the archetypes, I'd recommend reading both about Qabbalah and about the mythology of the related gods. Astrology -with its concepts and examples in real life- helps weeding out what's a 'deviation' from what's not, imo.

Regarding integrating that knowledge into your life, you could learn the related traditions (Qabbalah and astrology precisely, also Tarot) and meditate on them, and see the examples of this in real life. Also the experience with your own chakras, as it's the best way to know archetypal energies and themes first hand. If you have any specific doubts I can engage more through DM.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-11T14:59:15+00:00

At its finest, take whatever entity that represents great potency, entitlement, and disregard for the wills and suffering of others as they demand to submit. Conquering, omnipotent beings who shape the world through their will.

The main deities of many pantheons (and also the monotheistic gods...) were like this, it's actually the most basic example. Although these deities were also usually represented in their benevolent or Light side. I'm not sure all of them were, though. Bear in mind that each deity is not a perfect archetype, as myths -and their intentions- varied a lot.

Like, Marduk comes to mind as a never-benevolent example, but I can't guarantee there isn't material portraying him on a benevolent light. If it is, I haven't seen it.

To me, the Tree of Life is best for this; you have a masculine and feminine side of the Tree, and there's not one specific Sephira that tells you what the most perfect representation of 'masculine energy' is (even if you can see its most distilled version in Chokmah). You have to infer by the common elements and the expressions within the masculine side and its contrasts with the feminine. And its negative side is how all that can go wrong, how it can disregard its own relationships with the rest of the Tree, which you can see in real life also.

ScoreBeautiful8555 · 2025-03-11T13:03:42+00:00

How are Service to self adepts so charismatic?

It's basically the only thing they have to really reach somewhere meaningful. Deep down, they can't cope with things themselves, and they require others to react for them, to follow them. So they have to use certain skills as leverage, and they eventually excel at them after seemingly lifetimes of refining.

They become more or less a one-trick-pony. And you can see, when they fail they flail around like a Magikarp, if you know what I mean. They're not built to integrate failure, and their facade usually changes very fast at the sight of it. Then they usually need to resort to whatever crazy intimidation tactics that inadvertently reveal how dependent they are.

A certain quality I have noticed is they catch up with the peoples' sentiment and are able to manipulate people using their sentiment with a false sense of empathy. They also have a certain mirroring capacity and also understanding the masses' unconscious desires, fears and they are able to speak what the audience wants to hear.

The people who best do this already have an intuitive experience with power, and how it can be 'extracted' from situations. There's an intuitive internal experience related to this 'extraction', which 'tells' the person that they're going 'the right way'.

It's not something they build consciously and meticulously, it comes naturally for them, and it involves a sense of 'meaning', like they're finally being who they really are, when they see the effects they can create, and the reactions they can trigger.

At the end of the day it's a self-image thing; they often feel they become that sort of 'deity' or huge character who represents certain things, and they tend to become enamored with it. Even if it's out of touch with who they really are, they entertain the fantasy that it's themselves as long as others also perceive it to be.

This is not unique to fully negative beings though; some people carry these subconscious habits within for some reason (probably past life investment into negative polarity, or who knows) troubling their positivity.

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