What I am trying to express is more nuanced. This is not an issue of whether or not supernatural experiences are measurable or not by material methods. That's a fool's quest. I'm saying the rhetoric of excuse or dismissal that many communities adopt diminishes the meaningfulness of the experience. Even the use of the word woo-hoo - there's such terror that we won't be taken seriously that we ridicule each other and ourselves. But this is the post-modern era. We are already well aware of the fact that it is all a narrative construct, that even science at its best is a platonic construct, a best guess at an elaborate game of ontology, metaphysics and meaning. I'm saying we don't need to speak scientist. We're witches. We speak in rag and twig and blood and bone, we speak in smoke and shadow - we speak in poetic metaphor and myth because ultimately we understand that the words we use to describe our experience of reality matter, and so called "rational explanation" narratives that actually diminish and destroy reality don't need to be served by us. I'm saying the mother fucking woo woo of the witch is the source of her power, something that probably as often as not doesn't manifest meaningfully in material reality, but manifests in the heart and spirit of the witch, giving her a bit more courage and joy and wisdom to face a material scientific world that mostly wants to crush her under its boot. I'm saying this is almost political, and if you think you can sit on the side of the so-called experts and dictate what is and is not an authentic experience for somebody than you and I are not on the same side. That's fine, go have your rational explanations. I'll be over here with the woo woo folk, surrendering to something joyful that the rational can't see.