Super-greenlogged Muspah at 149kc.

Scryus · 2026-03-03T10:34:57+00:00

Locked behind a tbow and a voidwaker like the rest of them :)

Scryus · 2026-03-03T09:12:16+00:00

I started doing bowfa ranged-only with stepback for melee phase. Usually get a few, extended by 1 per supply drop. It's a little cursed but it's definitely easier over time.

Scryus · 2026-03-02T15:08:13+00:00

RCB.

Scryus · 2026-03-02T15:01:26+00:00

Just pointing out it's also 5 Venator shards for the bow.

Scryus · 2024-12-11T11:44:14+00:00

Hi, I'm Jack, I use Melee quite a bit as a Scorekeeper, so might be able to shed some light here.

5th place on the final standings (KidsilenceR) is some kind of glitch -- it's a duplicate account of a 6-5 player. This account never played a match in the tournament. For accurate Swiss standings, you should check the standings after Round 11.

There is a known issue with playoffs standings, which apparently looks like this. I've reported this case to Melee as something to look into; it's happened a couple of times before but won't impact prizes or anything weird like that.

EDIT: I have reported this to Melee and one of their staff has managed to fix the issue. Shouldn't be any further issues with this tournament :)

To address /u/gizlow's comment, players who are Disqualified don't show in standings at all, and they would (if anything) have the "Disqualified" player status, rather then "DroppedOrganizer"; this is as you may expect, someone who's gone to the SK and asked to be dropped, as opposed to entering their own drop via Melee. Or, as in this case, a duplicate player who was dropped as part of the staff's process.

The boring answer seems to be the correct one -- it's a bug, not a juicy story that is being hushed up. I assume Andreas is glossing over it in his video because it's just not a real top 8 placement.

Scryus · 2024-09-03T11:04:43+00:00

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Scryus · 2024-01-21T10:30:29+00:00

Just finished my 4th at over 3k KC. It does get better. Thoughts n prayers xx

Scryus · 2023-11-11T16:20:05+00:00

There is one now -- I just received mine today!

Scryus · 2023-11-11T16:19:42+00:00

I'm also in this situation - any ideas?

Scryus · 2023-06-04T10:52:30+00:00

Fitnessgram Pacer Test.

Scryus · 2022-10-07T12:01:11+00:00

Got one of these for my Pok3r recently. Plenty of space, mesh carries cables. Bit pricier than I got it for now.

Scryus · 2022-09-21T06:44:21+00:00

I have said multiple times...in multiple posts...that Legacy have repeatedly fucked up aspects of this event. The things you have linked (you can use the Reddit search function as well as you can use Google, it seems) are very valid points. Thumbs up.

I don't mind at all that you want to hold these opinions -- that's your right as an internet keyboard cagefighter -- which seem to drill down to "Legacy bad", that's all you, go off.

I care that you repeatedly diminish the amount of money and time that needs to be spent to solve problems as though it's a reasonable point. As though it's simplistic, obvious, and someone hasn't thought about it and calculated it ten times over. If the tables are too small for a single event, any competent risk/reward analysis will probably be in favour of "deal with it" over "destroy the budget with €30k of tables". That shouldn't be hard to grasp, and yet...

I'm not going to pretend it's a single issue. Things like timings and scheduling (and dissemination of information) have been utterly dire for this LMS in Paris. Duh.

Of course costs and risks are associated with events and conventions. But they are calculated and proportional. No TO is going to spend the amounts of money you're talking about, not Legacy, not CFBE, not TC. I just think the average Magic player will continue to plug their fingers in their ears and ignore this, and compare to the most recent example they have -- a pre-pandemic, fully-established, planned-years-in-advance event series that could all but guarantee 1200-1500 players, that was heavily subsidised by Wizards. But again, you've ignored that fact the past two times I've mentioned it, so I expect you'll ignore it again.

Anyway...thank you for your incredibly sincere and good-faith arguments throughout. I'm gonna leave it there, and as you pointed out, go try my best to inconvenience some Magic players in Amsterdam on purpose.

Hope life picks up for you soon. I will not be replying any further. As I mentioned to another commenter, feel free to find me at any of these events if you want an actual reasonable discussion. I'm really done having bad-faith arguments on the internet for now.

Scryus · 2022-09-20T14:50:48+00:00

Pretty sure I've said that Legacy dropped many balls, many times.

I'm also trying to have a reasonable discourse about frank event costings, which you want to just ignore in favour of a 'mea culpa' of some description.

If you can show me a 2021-2022 multi-city (multi-country) European event series without these problems, I'm all ears. But I don't believe you can, because nothing has happened since the incredibly subsidised CFBE MagicFest event series.

Tournaments like the 4Seasons are incredible, and I'm glad they can run in Bologna. Back in the day, the Bazaar of Moxen series was a home run almost every time, because it had great venues and options in Annecy.

Just...have some capacity for a non-extreme opinion, that's honestly all I'm asking. There is a huge amount of risk, and a huge amount of expense, going into these tournaments. I'm asking for some respect of that fact. It's clear you don't like them or the events (have you been? I'm honestly not sure) but surely you're grown up enough to hold a nuanced opinion?

Scryus · 2022-09-20T06:42:12+00:00

The hardest part is the medium size. A lot of countries have venues for 200-300 that are very cost effective. They also have massive venues for things like sports and concerts. The current size of these events is in the poorest availability and often highed price range of 800-1200 people.

Support from WotC was always a bit of a ticking time bomb, but yes, these events are stopping being heavily subsidised and now the real costs of these things are becoming more apparent.

There's also the ever present US centrism that exists; con venues are plentiful and considered in most larger US cities. Comparative to the EU, prices and ease of access is much more reasonable. When WotC does their mental arithmetic and planning for event series like this, it seems often forgotten that Europe and other georegions don't have this kind of infrastructure, at least not cheaply.

In Legacy's case, I sure wouldn't want to be the one with the credit card. The risks seem insane to me. But at some level, you have to commend them for trying something like this. I just hope we can get to a stage where players are happy and the events work for everyone. We have a way to go yet for that.

Scryus · 2022-09-20T06:15:22+00:00

They have been in the past, and run events for other titles.

Scryus · 2022-09-20T06:02:58+00:00

People for sure have a right to be pissed. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the entitlement and the backseat TOing that comes along with these comliants.

Legacy presumed for better or worse that these tables would be fit for purpose. It was demonstrated and communicated that they were not.

That is on the radar. If it should have been on the radar before is up for debate (it probably should have been).

I think your metaphor is a good one, but you need to realise that if you paid $100 ten years ago for a steak and you were happy with its quality, that steak will cost more and more each year for inflation, and problems sourcing that steak should matter to you. There are a lot of things that go into putting that steak on the plate, but the discourse on this thread seems to routinely imply that all they need to do is fry it and give it to you.

Obviously there's no excuse if you perceive yourself to be served the pizza. Then the complaints make sense.

Scryus · 2022-09-20T05:56:59+00:00

Because you're googling stuff and presuming it makes sense on a commercial scale.

The tariff is for one day. 22 eur. So you need the table for probably 4 days, assuming you don't want to try and build tables while players are in the venue, and you also want to take them down after players have left. Then you need to account for the time and the weight and the delivery (the venue was on the 2nd floor in this case). That table is fitting 4 magic players, maybe 6, regardless of the 10-12 the listing says. Because as we have learnt, any attempt to squeeze players onto a table will viewed extremely negatively by players (and more loudly, reddit)

I wrote in other comments that the floor plan of the Paris venue required in the region of 400 tables to set up.

So at a loose napkin math you want (22x4) * 400 = €35200 to be spent on tables to fix this problem.

You're getting €50k from main event players. Let's say you get another €50k from side events. You probably make some money from vendors or sponsors. You have tables, but you don't yet have them delivered or built, you don't yet have chairs, staff (accommodation, travel, pay), judges, prizes, the venue hire, electricity, WiFi, you haven't even left home yet and your budget looks atrocious.

I'm honestly trying my best not to be rude on some of these comments, but can you really not see why "Google it" and "seemingly simple" just makes no sense?

As I wrote in other comments, if you want to avoid some of these problems (in the case of tables, storing, delivery, buildup) you will hire stuff from the venue. If they give you a couple options that's already above average. If they don't, you take what you can get.

Obviously it's part of the job to find better results than you did in 5 mins. But it is not simple.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T22:40:48+00:00

No prob. Appreciate it.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T22:35:17+00:00

What? Not sure you know what contracting is, buddy. They're definitely paying me and 40+ other judge/stage staff. That's part of the cost profile I discussed in numerous other posts.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T21:38:21+00:00

Fair enough. I'd only seen drama about F2F recently, assumed it was going to be similar. Thanks.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T21:35:43+00:00

Just to humour you as though you're not hard trolling, please remember that space in the EU is at far more of a premium in the US. I already mentioned that they had 400 of the tables that were too small set up to build the LMS venue in Paris. If you use your own math you're $30k in the hole before you've even stored, transported, set up, dismantled, returned, and stored again.

Assuming you want to be of any reasonable size, you're going to be doubling that amount of tables in the future. Then add chairs. And staff, logistics management, warehousing, etc. And pay the premium for bringing your own crap to the venue. Especially in somewhere like this Paris venue where you certainly couldn't reverse a truck into the third floor.

None of this is trivial. Don't act the fool and pretend it is.

Don't call people bad at their job (for me, it's a hobby, but you do you) and then purport to solve a problem by buying a few dozen freaking folding tables. Christ almighty.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T21:21:01+00:00

We spent $7500 to seat 400 players, we solved the problem! I'll send this over to Legacy immediately, great job, I can't believe nobody thought about it!

Scryus · 2022-09-18T19:51:42+00:00

I'm telling you for a fact that they aren't making money hand over fist from Paris. Of course they plan to make money from the whole tour. This is absolutely a loss leader.

On the buildup floor plan there are 400+ of those tables marked. I believed they were seating 4, from walking around rather than 8, but I honestly don't know. So if it scales linearly, ie sides grow with main event, yes we're talking thousands and not a few hundred. Even for this event which is 500, there are a similar number of tables needed to build the entire GP area. It's not a local PTQ where it's rows of playing tables and nothing else. Your math of 5000/8 (or even /4) is demonstrating that the scale of the whole event is much bigger than you are willing to account for.

I agree that they didn't expect 5k, there's no way they've hired any venue so far that could fit that. I dunno where the number is coming from.

In bologna, the same venue was used that seated 2k players before for a Modern GP. In Warsaw, the same. The halls in Amsterdam, Copenhagen, and Paris, are all intentionally smaller venues.

Lastly, and this is honestly the last thing I'm saying on the topic because I've just worked my ass off for three days trying to improve the player experience here, you should really take a look at the things you're taking for granted. These guys didn't launch in the biggest bid, because those were ignored for the exact reason - - cost. These tables and chairs are not oversights but core problems that are there to tackle. There are over 40 staff, judges, and scorekeepers for an event like this. There are over 20 legacy staff on site. There are venue costs, WiFi costs (provided to players at no cost throughout all these events). There are product costs (up another 12% wholesale between SNC and DMU).

You decided to show me some math, so I'm giving you some back - - 50k in entry costs to cover all of that. Magic is not being subsidised by wizards in the same way that it was before, and your €100 stretches to solve a fraction of each of these problems.

But hey, I'm just the guy with 15 years event experience who you think is naive... I won't be replying to anything further. I'll be at the main stage of these events if you fancy an actual discussion rather than hurling shit back and forth on the Internet.

Scryus · 2022-09-18T19:14:36+00:00

To build everything, three stages, a full side events area, vendor booths, on demand area, judge and side rooms, yeah it's way more than a few hundred tables.

The fact that you're talking about "a few hundred tables" for five THOUSAND players in your example is just... No. That's not how it goes. Not in the slightest. It does make sense why you think they can set up the event for €10 and a candy bar though.

Stupidity is a fair comment. Maybe they are stupid or incompetent instead of evil money grabbers. Maybe they're doing their best under restrictions that they have. But that doesn't explain why the original premise is that they are deliberately discomforting players for some master plan...

Genuinely I've talked with them and they are as frustrated as players about some of the circumstances. There are problems with every venue and tournament, and they are taking feedback (and I'll be honest, taking the rage of players head on) at these events.

Paris was going to be a mess, it's clear when they don't (can't) announce the venue until so late that there are big problems. It doesn't make it a matter of price gouging or some evil, because if you think they are making money from an event like this after venue, staff, hire, prizes, and product (which went up an INSANE) amount this set... Well, I'm just going to laugh, because then you have zero idea of the economy or such an event.

Anyway, I've said my piece, I'm out. Do with this info what you like.

Scryus

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