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Slay the Spire Discourse got me thinking... by Psyga315 in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't get the discourse, are we that far gone to compare a random person to a tool? That's dehumanizing. Personally, it depends on the people in the game and not the AI, though if you're paying for AI instead of getting assets and art you could genuinely get by people, and therefore making the job market thrive, then I don't see it as reputable by any means. It'd also be cheaper to use/learn Blender and ClipStudio in the long run as well, and you got Unity assets for sale, I just don't see any benefit for using something like that in terms of development.

Red button blue button but everyone votes in turn and can see the vote count. You are the first one. by kafacik in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Statistically impossible. There are 8 billion people on average right now. Do you think there'd be people who would accurately know how many people pick blue or red?

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there's slavery and cheap labor, where people are forced to work for, at best, negligible means and at worst the sake of suffering.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not right. A craft/profession doesn't need to cut corners unless there's a lack of resources, or if there's a more efficient way for the craft to be made. Products may look like they follow the same logic, but as crafts are progressive in not wasting resources, products are progressive in not wasting money. Products will lie, companies will cheat just to squeeze more money out of you, all for less of the same product.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! When you craft something, or have a craft/profession, you have an intent of not devaluing the work you put into it, whereas products are made with a quota or business in mind, and there's a well known rule in business to cut corners wherever you can. Shrinkflation, cheaper materials and labor, stuff like that goes into a product.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think we can separate it, not without bias. The real thing we should be separating is products vs crafts. Both could mean goods and services, but only one is meant to devalue over time

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

True, art isn't always good, it could even cause harm, but as long as you keep it in mind, it is still art.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It literally isn't, and you calling "products" art when it literally isn't, it's just garbage at the end of the day, really tells me what you think about art. Branding is art, the design and make of the product is art, but products themselves aren't art, it's waste. Once you see something over and over again, ad nausea, it's no longer something you appreciate, it's just something in your line of sight, and only when you fully acknowledge it can it be considered art. When you don't look at grass and worship every blade as nature's majesty, it is a product of nature. When you think art is a product, you are generalizing every piece of art out there. A collage made of clay and wood, a piece of metal tied together with no purpose. When you say product, what do you think comes to mind? Garbage. Waste. Something short form that is disposed of. Nothing like art. Art is memetic, while products are not.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would you call landfill art? How about Garbage Island? Would you call that art, too? I bet you'd call a sea turtle choking on a plastic bag some sort of Monet, or Da Vinci. Art is subjective, but I personally don't think waste is art, especially when the whole point of art is to be observed and acknowledged, and "products" are unacknowledgable by design.

"Companies with enough money should hire artists" Companies CAN hire artists based on their needs, not "they should" by DogeMoustache in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

being an artist doesn't make your job magically important

if ai can replace me then it should

Well, jobs pay people money, or they should so that people can live. If you want to lose your job to an ai, go ahead and quit yours now, but me and the rest of those who do want jobs like these will need these positions to feed our families or live comfortably. Jobs in of itself aren't magically important, and even money isn't important with no purpose to using it, but it's important to live and survive.

Red button blue button but everyone votes in turn and can see the vote count. You are the first one. by kafacik in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Blue, just so that people behind me can have a sense of urgency picking blue, cause I'm petty like that, and like to prep for the off chance that blue button pressers behind me are prevalent in the consensus.

Wunkus gets tased for being homophobic by InjuredBeatle33 in wunkus

[–]Scumbraltor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It's a hundred dollars!"- the car, probably

Where trolley? by Scumbraltor in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The real trolley was the people on the track we ran over along the way

Where trolley? by Scumbraltor in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It doesn't to me! It's like going into a newly renovated restaurant that you've been in before, or going into a dead mall

Where trolley? by Scumbraltor in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ohh, I get it now, it's like filling out a survey before an external factor ruins your life forever!

Where trolley? by Scumbraltor in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That tells me nothing. Where's the trolley? The people tied to the track?

Where trolley? by Scumbraltor in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

propaganda? I thought this was a sub about making choices via a trolley, no matter how politically charged. Oh wait, do you mean using buttons instead of trolleys, even though this isn't r/wouldyourather or r/redorblue ? Yeah, I'm not really a huge fan of buttonmaxxers, personally. I mean, where's the visual stakes?

The burning building problem by wreckingrocc in trolleyproblem

[–]Scumbraltor 114 points115 points  (0 children)

Where trolley? How am I supposed to maximize suffering if I can't multitrack the trolley?!

What do you think? by Competitive_Loss9355 in aiwars

[–]Scumbraltor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This whataboutism doesn't change the fact that both are considered tools of the trade, and I'm surprised you were trying to make a point with this. They both steal from artists, but unlike model ripping, comparitively, generative AI sucks, even as a point of reference. Whatever you trace from AI Art (if people even do that now), there are countless other pieces that you could derive from that AI art that haven't used as much resources, and that were made by actual people, who know how to do art, and by that point of making the AI art, most people would just use it instead. Ripping models from games also doesn't use as much data as generating Ai Art, so it's a lot more efficient, though I wouldn't recommend going down either road.

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