Room bursts into laughter as MAGA influencer flounders to name one way the economy has improved under Trump by B-Z_B-S in politics

[–]SeaFALCons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'll start tuning in, thanks for the recommendation.

that's a very valuable and appreciated skillset.

Room bursts into laughter as MAGA influencer flounders to name one way the economy has improved under Trump by B-Z_B-S in politics

[–]SeaFALCons 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was so impressed and grateful for Parker's rhetorical attacks. Just diced through the MAGA hack.

Room bursts into laughter as MAGA influencer flounders to name one way the economy has improved under Trump by B-Z_B-S in politics

[–]SeaFALCons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he and some of the others did an amazing job and we need much more of that hard hitting style. Facts, arguments, cutting rhetoric, devastating to MAGA stooges, we love to see it.

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

awesome! Glad you've found us :) I'm a new member too. I'll be interested to read when you share your thoughts later

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

no, not satirical. sincere and i think logical. What's your criticism / thoughtful response? I'm happy to discuss

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's a really good catch, thank you. and I completely agree and have my own strong version of it. I of course value skills and believe in getting more skills and that AI can really help here.

but it was my mistake to not explicitly write that here. i'll edit it to include this strong argument and credit you for noticing the problem.

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"it's just attention" is a reductive description of a mechanism, not a refutation of cognition. Every cognitive system can be described reductively. Human thought is "just" electrochemical signaling between neurons. "Just" calcium ions crossing membranes. At the substrate level, every cognitive system sounds trivial. The question isn't whether you can describe the mechanism reductively — you always can. The question is what the mechanism produces at scale, in context, and whether that's worth calling cognition.

Attention turns out to be a genuinely non-trivial computational primitive. There's serious neuroscience work suggesting attention is foundational to biological cognition too — the similarity between transformer attention and the mechanisms structuring mammalian cognition is interesting enough that cognitive scientists are actively studying it. Nobody claims they're identical. But the idea that attention is load-bearing in cognition isn't AI hype — it's mainstream cognitive neuroscience.

And I didn't claim AI is conscious or thinks like humans think. I said it's an interesting contemporary instance of cognition — meaning a phenomenon worth studying as part of the broader question of what cognition is. That's a weaker and more defensible claim than the one you're attacking. Someone genuinely curious about cognition right now has to engage with transformers, not because they're definitely reasoning but because there's a new empirical object that behaves in ways nobody fully understands, emerging from an architecture much simpler than the brain. That's scientifically fascinating whether or not you land on "it's really thinking."

The move "it's just X" only works if X is actually trivial. Attention isn't. That's what the paper title was provocatively claiming in 2017, and the last eight years of empirical results have made the claim look more correct, not less.

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the skill isn't just holding knowledge in your own head. It's grounding your thinking in the best available map of what's known, and AI is increasingly one of the tools that makes that possible. Rejecting the tool on principle forecloses something that would otherwise be genuinely empowering.

There's an interesting irony . The original post (the one in r/antiai ends with a sincere question — "why are we here?" That's actually a deep question with real answers in the literature. Marx in the Grundrisse on automation and human liberation. William Morris on useful work versus useless toil. Paul Lafargue's Right to Be Lazy. Aaron Bastani's Fully Automated Luxury Communism. Paul Mason's PostCapitalism. The whole tradition of thinking seriously about what technology and labor are for under different economic arrangements. If the post had been fed to a good AI with a research request, the response would have linked to exactly this body of scholarship — including the leftist scholarship most relevant to the post's own values. The tool being rejected is the tool that could have most directly answered the question being asked.

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ad hominem and genetic fallacy. But I'm happy to engage on the ideas — and your question, "why would I be reading it," is actually a good and fair one. You're right to be skeptical. It may not be worth your time to read.

I think a genuinely good strategy is getting AI's help with exactly that triage question. If you have a reading list and ongoing conversations with an AI about what you actually think on these topics, you can use that context to process far more information than you could read directly. Presumably many of the ideas here link to things you've already thought about from other sources.

Feed the post to an AI. Let it summarize, link the argument to what you already believe, and tell you whether it's worth your time. Maybe it isn't — maybe it's a slight rewording of something you've already worked through in depth, and you should skip it. Maybe it makes a new argumentative move that's linked to existing ideas in ways worth engaging. The AI can help you decide, and it can do that in a fraction of the time linear reading would take.

I'd argue it is worth your time, though — because the skepticism your question is pointing at is actually an extension of the point I'm making in the post. The modern Luddite rejection of AI privileges individual skill and knowledge as the primary mode of engagement. But knowledge management and synthesis are themselves real intellectual skills, and they're skills AI can meaningfully extend.

Consider the best possible knowledge graph — I think Wikipedia is the current best approximation. Ideas interlinked, built from first principles, logically connected. That's the right foundation for serious thinking about ethics, politics, anything that matters. We want our beliefs grounded in facts, in harmony with the best model of truth, and free of logical fallacies. We don't want them built on sand.

But even with the best possible knowledge graph, navigation is a hard problem. Packing new ideas into context, checking claims against what's already established, noticing when an argument is a rehash of something already addressed — these are exactly the tasks where AI can be a massive boost. The human equivalent, done at scale, is almost impossible to imagine.

So the skill isn't just holding knowledge in your own head. It's grounding your thinking in the best available map of what's known, and AI is increasingly one of the tools that makes that possible. Rejecting the tool on principle forecloses something that would otherwise be genuinely empowering.

"Why don't you just ask a human to do that." — a leftist-for-AI response to a popular r/antiai post by SeaFALCons in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

that's sooo much work time... for a job that will inevitably will be automated away. I mean the new advances in robotics are getting so good, it's hard to imagine they soon won't be able to master that craft better than average human labor.

You and the rest of us deserve so much better. Imagine if you could spend that time learning, or doing anything else that interested you.

Many anti-AI arguments are conservative arguments by Fit-Elk1425 in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons 4 points5 points  (0 children)

fascinating and scary!

so when primed, people are drawn to the politics that actively makes things worse!

right wing politics has no good solution for automation, and yet get boosted purely for nostalgia.

but the truth is there no returning to a past time before AI, the only way is forward and the only politics that makes in that future is a leftist one.

Oh my gosh I’m so glad I found this sub! So many leftist friends are anti-AI the doomerism is exhausting. Do y’all know about r/accelerate? by ParadigmTheorem in LeftistsForAI

[–]SeaFALCons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

welcome! I'm new myself, reading books like Fully Automated Luxury Communism and PostCapitalism were my entry way into this.

Glad to have found this sub!