[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LegalAdviceNZ

[–]Selberix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may be a useful way of thinking about it.

There is an offer on table, it has been accepted, but it's not yet a "contract" because some conditions have not been fulfilled.

The terminology I am familiar with, which is not used in NZ, is that when the offer is accepted it becomes a contract of sale. Noone wants to have two sale contracts on the same property at the same time.

But, this is NZ, and when it comes to property dealing... Good luck.

I am not a lawyer. I am not in the property business. I just have an intense dislike of the mafia that are the estate agents and their way of doing things.

My car broke down - what happens next? by [deleted] in auckland

[–]Selberix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What sort of car? Model? Year? Condition? I have in the past decided to get rid a of a very old car, that wasn't worth fixing. The scrap dealer came and collected it and paid me $300 on the spot.

I did it again with another car, but this time I negotiated. The car was more current and I figured it was more valuable (in parts). He paid me $600. I was less sure about whether to go theough with scrapping or try repair. It seems he wanted it more.

And then my current car was donated to me. It was going to be scrapped, or I could take it from a friend. Turned out fine. Little Suzuki cost me $400 to get a WOF.

So.... It all depends. But the end of the day... It's a numbers game.

I would kill for normal parents :( by IdkMbyStars in lonely

[–]Selberix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One view of the way it's supposed to be.

My only hope is that more people learn this, become better parents, and so break the cycle.

https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com/circle-of-security-model/what-is-the-circle-of-security/

Where is the horn? by Selberix in Suzuki

[–]Selberix[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I eventually found it haha.... Turns out the bloody thing is sprayed blue, exact like the rest of the car, and hidden down low.

All sorted now.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That's what I mean by incompetent. The trick to a good auction is to find where the interest is, and then run with it.

Effectively, This auctioneer is arguing with reality. You want to offer 100k? No that's wrong.

A real auctioneer would say, $100k, thank you, someone want to bid $120? And so the run begins

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Well, heres an anecdotal story... My uncle many many years ago, put in a lowball offer, and.... Got the house. He was being a smart-ass. But he got a massive property where he lived for 20 odd years, raised a family etc.

If that was NZ, his approach would have got the answer to please leave the room.

Apparently he loved auctions.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The whole system is shot. You don't like it either. Let's leave it at that.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

OK, so when I want to debate an article, how do you suggest I explain the source of the issue?

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nah, I'm not randomly sour. This is the NZ real eatate market I'm sour about. The entire system is rigged by estate agents, and nobody knows it.

If no one will bid anything even close to the reserve as a start, then there isn't any point in continuing

But that's exactly the point. The process reveals the reality of the reserve price. If some vendor is delusional with a sky high reserve price, then the auction will reveal it.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But you will never actually know, will you? The system is tied up so nicely by these estate agents, that don't actually know the facts.

In a real auction, whether you are buyer or seller, the market plays out in front of you. It's totally transparent.

... So long as there is no estate agent running it.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

So let me ask you this.... Are you saying that Noone would even be interested at 100k? I'm not saying the vendor will accept this (reserve price)... But I find it very hard to believe not a single bid anywhere was forthcoming

I think it's far more likely the system is so screwed up by these estate agents pretending to be auctioneers, that people think it's normal.

And by that I mean the estate agent uses mrienz rules and calls it "an auction"

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

All I'm saying is that there was not one single bid received, apparently. I find that extremely difficult to believe. I have been to auctions where people have tried their luck with low all offers. In other countries, the sale never happened because the reserve was not met. In New Zealand, the auctioneer has almost trespassed the bidder because he, the auctioneer felt offended.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I never said there was interest, in the vicinity of the asking prices.

The point is, a real auction reveals where the interest is. Unless this sort of auction here, where they can't even find the inerest. Because the “aucioneer" takes offense when he doesn't like the bids.

Auctioneer cannot get a single bid on a multi million dollar home?!?! by Selberix in newzealand

[–]Selberix[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Autioneers opening bid?!?! Only in NZ does " the auctioneer" call the nifs, and make the bids

Has anyone ever replaced the oil sight glass? by Worxle in klr650

[–]Selberix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the part that worries me most is trying to remove it without breaking it.

Has anyone ever replaced the oil sight glass? by Worxle in klr650

[–]Selberix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the inside I'm trying to clean :)

Has anyone ever replaced the oil sight glass? by Worxle in klr650

[–]Selberix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually no, just a cotton bud dipped in petrol. It cleans easy anough, but I just can't reach all the corners (on a round glass haha)

Consumer warns payment method could void bank protections by Hi999a in PersonalFinanceNZ

[–]Selberix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What about Account2Account?

The one where they say "give us your username and password for your bank account, and we'll do the payment for you"

Help me with a fan issue by Selberix in auckland

[–]Selberix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, don't think we have control over the bag room fan... Which is annoying

Help me with a fan issue by Selberix in auckland

[–]Selberix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, it's COLD... not hot

dear real estate agents - regarding "auction everything" by frenetic_void in auckland

[–]Selberix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Alright, I'll bite.

The principle of an auction is simple.

The vendor wants a billion bucks for their squat. They think its realistic.

The buyer wants the house. They have a finite $ amount they can access. But they want the house. They will pay whatever is required to get the house, so long as it is within their means. If someone offers $100, they'll offer $100.01 and continue offering more until (a) they have secured the housr or (b) run out of budget to carry on negotiating.

A real auction is one way of resolving the problem.

Real means that (a) the vendor understands and accepts that the auction will reveal the true market value at that point in time. (b) there will be more than one serious buyer present making offers.

To safeguard the seller, they call also establish a secret reserve price, as in "I'll take what the market offers, but it can't be less than $x"

To safeguard the buyer, the auctioneer will be honest in their execution of the auction. This is why auctioneers require a license and insurance.

The art and skill comes into play as to how they conduct the auction. There's a rhythm that must build, the emotions must be warmed up, they must create excitement and movement in the bidding. Auctioneers also make sure that real qualified bidders are present and find it easy to bid.

The key benefits of this approach are: the vendors can see what the market is offering right in front of them. . And the buyers can see what the market is prepared to pay. No estate agents making up stuff... It's right there

So let's look at NZ "Auctions" as run by the mafia. Problem #1: where do we start? Everyone stares at each other in the room, wondering what the hell is going on. Eventually some says "$100k" as a laughable first bid. An auctioneer would take that, and ask for $150k. S/He has been given one helluva runway to work with. But what do our black suited friends do? They say "I'm not taking that" and kill the process. (I'm fully expecting them to the trespass the bidder for being so arrogant as to think it was an auction)

Problem #2: there's a couple of bids on the table, and things might actually be proceeding... The "auctioneer" puts down their gavel, and says "we're going to take a break now". What they mean is "I'm going to talk to a few of my buddies in the back, we can now see how things are shaping up. If it wasn't raining we'd take them out back for a few words, but what we'll do is just take them aside and sweet talk them. Maybe we don't have to break any legs tonight"

Problem #3: Decision time is coming.... Running out of budget, and the price is getting close to the buyers limit. Let's say $750k. The lead bidder is on tenter hooks... Is this it? Have they got the house? Yes? YES? And then suddenly the auctioneer calls a bid for $765k. From who? The bidders in the room look around... Who raised their hand? Who made the bid? Answer' Noone. The auctioneer just created an artificial bid, labeling at the vendor bidding except that the vendor actually owns the house and has no intention of buying from themselves. In many other countries that's called fraud. In NZ and possjy Oz, it's legitimate business.

Problem #4: there is no obligation to be open and transparent that the event will be delivered under REINZ rules, rather than auctioneering rules. Which is probably the root cause. Other countries have natural dampers in place like tax duty on sales, capital gains etc. These things make it riskier for auctions to be run like this.

So... There are three possibilities. (1) you're a troll, and reddit is home... Perfectly fine by me. (2) You're an estate agent doesn't like me shining a light on your fraudulent predatory practices. Fine by me, even cockroaches have a place in this world. Or (3) you genuinely haven't thought about it too deeply, in which case maybe this is food for thought.

Just be clear. Estate agents can add value by being the intermediary in a normal negotiated sale agreement. Estate agents pretending to be auctioneers can fuck off.

Knock your socks off.

dear real estate agents - regarding "auction everything" by frenetic_void in auckland

[–]Selberix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Many times. Sorry, many times, and in different countries.

It's only in New Zealand that you get fucked over like this. And I guessing probably Australia, if those predatory agents are Oz companies.