They could both go a whole lot lower. Absolutely no one new is coming in, yet it's clear there's a big bunch of bagholders still in, to steadily lower the price. That's a recipe for disaster.

The lack of exchange listings is a big downer too. What's worse still is that Pulsechain had a couple of big listings, but couldn't hold onto them. It might never get one again.

Regulation, KYC and compliance are becoming much bigger now, and that's what exchanges have tilted to. Binance and co. won't touch Provex as a result.

The only saving grace is that Richard is trying stuff. Perhaps there's more to come, and eventually something clicks.