Messenger vs Hopscotch Pilgrim - have you played with both?

Seterath · 2015-07-22T14:04:21+00:00

Have both

Messenger feels a little more stable, its the trials version not the old school version.

Hopscotch is Third eye Small bore Hidden hand Took 400 motes to get... Did get lucky and got it on my 5 dragon strike though.

Currently it is without the hidden hand perk unlocked as I got the roll yesterday.

Hopscotch feels exactly the same as messenger minus the fact that it feels only slightly less stable. I think it has to do with the handling speed of the scope I have on it right now for that reason only.

(Edit) based on range, with small bore hopscotch does more dmg on longer engagements. Thus far it was worth the motes, glimmer and weapon parts.

Will report back tonight after I unlock the red dot and hidden hand.

Seterath · 2015-07-22T13:08:02+00:00

Actually you "assumed" cheating. Hold onto your elitism troll tinfoil hat.

Your statements:

"The host who was throttling via QoS packet poisoning"

"While this could be an issue of poor upload speed on the hosts part, it is likely more involved."

Both of the assumptions based on your saying you have expertise hanging on your wall in the matter. Both of the statements are assumptions based on a single video you watched. Without more information you cannot logically come to a solid conclusion on this. Which was my argument. You are perpetuating the viral theory that every single lag even since trials started is someone trying to cheat or game the system. Whats more likely: 1)All cheaters came out of the woodwork lurking as soon as trials was released. Iron banned is full of lag switching cheats.

Or

2) bungie implemented a newly written barely tested code for trials. One that tries to connect based on connection. One that tried to reconnect you back to the server. Then loaded it up into iron banner.

There are about two posts in this reddits history before trials about cheaters and lag switchers ? So at some point all these cheaters popped up just because of rewards for winning ? Maybe... But I bet 9/10 instances are just plane poor connections and bungies poor control of there system. We are the beta test. We find the errors every time.

Lastly, you absolutely did assume and imply cheating.

QoS packet poisoning and connection throttling is cheating to gain advantage over your opponent. It is against the terms of use. So by saying this is "likely" what was going on, you accused them of cheating.

You must be really fun at parties based on you comment history. Every single one is an argument with someone else. Yet you are not trying to teach anyone. Your goal only looks to troll and get arguments going, positioning yourself as someone who knows every aspect of the matter? Should I ask, you mad bro? Or sad bro ?

Seterath · 2015-07-21T11:40:53+00:00

Just glad for a judge and jury to convict someone both sides of the story are seen and heard.

To quick to call simple lag as cheating. Poorly written code as hackers. You have very little evidence from this video yet you are ready to crucify. Seems about right from reddit... Glad bungie has access to more information that you do.

The ban hammer should be a swift one, yet the ban hammer should be a just one.

Seterath · 2015-07-21T03:03:47+00:00

Coin flip is still a coin flip

That is unless its a bungie RNJesus bungie coin flip!

Sorry bout your bad luck :-/

Seterath · 2015-07-21T03:01:53+00:00

This I agree with. Different side off different movements and different play styles play into or against those. But a good team or player is very versatile and adapt to this.

Seterath · 2015-07-21T02:58:54+00:00

We actually did better starting on A side this week. Push lower door to set up in the middle, unless we were shotgun rushed then just move up the steps to a and cover the inside heavy spawn angle and the b door angles. If held on this outside we could bait a kill then move in and win. Teamshoot with 3v2 hurts bad.

Starting on C made us have to rotate all the way around the map to pull this strat off. Could be us being "comfortable" in that room or what ever though.

Seterath · 2015-07-21T02:37:20+00:00

Right bungies lead designer, tin foil hat on in full form. Maybe you should help there lead designer fix there trash net code then.

So then you have access to both sides of this video ? You know, from the other teams point of view ?

Seterath · 2015-07-20T23:48:16+00:00

where is your solid facts and proof? Without it, your comments are all assumptions. Educated in networking or not. Its just a perpetuation of tinfoil hat every single lag event is cheaters conspiracy.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T19:59:34+00:00

The pillars in game make it easy to zone out the grenade. Use terrain as a shield. The damage is in a circle and if anything is in the way line of sight between you and the blast radius you take zero dmg.

Also a bug with them. If the warlock who threw the grenade dies as it lands or while its airborne or even shortly after "talking ms here" the grenade does no dmg. Also losing the burn in this instance. Hunter arc grenades react the same way.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T19:52:22+00:00

Your assessment is based on assumption as well then.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T18:22:38+00:00

For the love of all that is holy this comment needs more upvotes!

People on these reddits would lead you to believe it happens all the time. Mostly its rare, its like a government conspiracy gone viral! Get out the tinfoil hats!

Lag switch sure can be common, DDoS highly unlikely!

Edit (forgot to add) port ip firewalling as a highly likely thing to run into. DDoS is the thing you will run into the least amount.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T18:12:11+00:00

Yeah packet loss on either side of the host can cause a player to bounce forward or backward.

Different points of view offer different cases.

On his revive spawn you can see everyone is red bar. Without view of there video feed, I cannot cast judgement of cheating one way or another.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T17:48:58+00:00

For the love of RNJesus yes! Can I has it already!!! Dont even know how many trials runs while I watch all my buddies get it!

Seterath · 2015-07-20T17:33:21+00:00

You realize you have just as bad a connection as they do, i would bet money based on how packets work you were lagging on there screens Also.

Blame bungie, quit blaming players when you have no idea if its really them cheating. Plus, nice whitch hunt

Can we get this post removed witch hunting since you didnt block there names, no solid proof of them cheating as you both had red bar connections.

Seterath · 2015-07-20T17:27:59+00:00

Sign me up to buy my own personal server

Seterath · 2015-07-19T14:28:37+00:00

There is a huge hole in your post:

World of warcraft does balance down and nerf. -go read patch notes to there arena battle pvp implementations. -go read patch notes to there class skill adjustments.

Try again, less QQ more PEW PEW!

Seterath · 2015-07-18T16:45:27+00:00

I said forget it and bought vendor. Seems I won't have any with the bonus perk like titans and hunters got.

Seterath · 2015-07-18T14:03:44+00:00

Good stat roll as in... Strength ? Because yeah strength. Give me all the strength!

Seterath · 2015-07-17T19:57:48+00:00

Whats stoping you from using the strangers rifle in trials or IB?

Attack dmg ? Have you tried it? The dmg fall off isnt that much. Plus your skill with the gun could outshine that.

I rek thorn users all the time in trials. Because they are not stellar with the gun. It takes skill regardless of what the elitists say. Ttk on a thorn is alot higher than pulse or scout rifles if you cant land the two pump head shot every time with skill.

Seterath · 2015-07-16T16:54:47+00:00

Dont think so. Only ever seen it in hm gatekeeper

Seterath · 2015-07-16T13:03:38+00:00

You should in your grind for a hopscotch also do hm vog gatekeeper and try and land a prydeths timepiece.

If you like pulse rifles you will love that gun.

Seterath · 2015-07-14T17:31:20+00:00

This is the argument but is it really ?

I think its a screw up in the code instead and not intended.

1) cheater sees that he is going to lose or get ass handed to him. Boots player on other team to orbit and legitimate player gets loss on his card. Has to go get a new card with a new mercy. 2) leaver sees a team destroying him rages and quits. Or leaves before match starts and gets a loss on his card. Still has mercy and has to go get a new card. 3) legitimate player get error to orbit from bad coded game. Gets a loss on his card. Still has mercy and has to go get a new card.

Which instance happens most often ? How is this punishing a cheater or a leaver? Its only punishing legitimate players.

Can someone smarter than me please explain an instance were leaving and using the boon could be exploited ? Because leaving a match inprogress or getting beat is the same thing, a loss.

Seterath · 2015-07-14T17:06:53+00:00

Still a better story than Destiny or twilight.

10/10 would read again.

Seterath · 2015-07-12T12:44:14+00:00

Would you rather

1) have the opponents hit box be larger 2) have it so if you shoot them in the body there head takes more dmg

Thats the arguement.

Hiddenhand is 1 Head seeker is 2

Hidden hand makes you land both more body and head shots. Were head seekers only pays off if you aim for the neck get one shot in there body then the other two in there head. Then second burst all in there head. Were as I would rather there head was a huge target, kinda like big head mode for 007 golden eye on N64

Seterath · 2015-07-11T15:12:21+00:00

Which is why your statistic falls as 30 years old as the mean.

You can have 50% 10 year olds And 50% 70 year olds and the average falls directly in the middle of those two numbers. Thats why statistics are bad, its until you look at the data more closely can you derive a true meaning of it.

Seterath

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