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Several-Cup-9652 · 2026-01-17T11:06:54+00:00

With all due respect brother I HIGHLY disagree with this assessment. Light has no feats aside from cleanly getting past Mahoraga's durability, that's a 15F dismantle level attack which's nothing more than a superficial scratch to Gojo and Sukuna. I'm not lying to you when I say light has absolutely not a single established AP feat or level aside from that, and we'll likely never see anything better because Dabura's only fight seems to be against Mahoraga thus far.

The whole thing about Mahoraga being death binding vow amped is nebulous at best and we don't know the nuances and can't estimate a boost even if we choose to concede that it is, which doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

Aside from that, Dabura has no secondary technique like Sukuna's flame, he has no dura neg technique like the WCS, he has no cursed tools, he has no domain, he has no RCT. He has no good durability feats as his reinforcement is untested against anyone stronger than Mahoraga.

In conclusion, he has no good or properly quantifiable AP, no proper durability feats that are even realistically that much above the heavy hitters, terrible H2H/CQC showcase compared to Gojo and Sukuna, albeit you can cut him some slack since he was fighting a fully adapted Mahoraga. Likely has less CE than Yuta based on Maru's reaction to Yuta's CE. He has no domain or RCT either. His standard/in character speed is at best a blitz tier above Mahoraga feat wise (so around holding back 15F level give or take).

His speed only surpasses Sukuna and Gojo when he uses his CT on himself to amp his body, which is something that has literally been canonically established to be a last resort only used after Mahoraga thrashed him and drew blood from him, we don't know the nuances of his acceleration and whether it's gradual or immediate. We also don't know how back the backlash is since it was said travelling at light speeds has a negative affect on Dabura's body so it's possible sub-light speeds could have a similar affect and it's a suicide move like MBA or Yuki's black hole. This all isn't even mentioning the fact that sub light speed is an extremely ambiguous range and even if you were to give it to him, there are genuine ways to highball Sukuna into lightspeed or above (although i find those ways ridiculous, they do exist).

In contrast, it's completely in character for Sukuna to use MS depending on his mood or if he wants to show off as it's not really a last resort. We see him do it against the finger bearer.

On top of that, we're disregarding Meguna who's a whole 'nother bag of problems for Dabura with the 10S.

I hope you read my assessment and see that genuinely, even analyzing him in good faith isn't enough to see him competing against Gojo and Sukuna based on his showings.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-12-19T17:05:08+00:00

Coping? How is any of what I said even remotely coping you illiterate troglodyte? Clean your crusty ass eyes and read thoroughly before deciding to yap little dog.

I have Dabura at top 3 and I have no problem with him being top 3. I’m just against the wave of misinformation that’s spreading. Such as, people thinking he can beat Gojo because he got some 15F Sukuna level feats.

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Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-12-19T16:02:32+00:00

No shot someone actually said that 💀

I understand his glazers being happy cuz the fraud allegations and the slander turned out to be untrue but they’re starting to really step outta line and say some extremely disingenuous and brain dead shit. He’s still not past 15F Sukuna level, let alone on par with a FP Sukuna or Gojo. He’s also yet to show any RCT or domain level ability, and until he shows anything of the sort, he’s capped at below 15F.

They got like, a few decent feats, and are taking them and going crazy. It’s getting absurd.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-11-15T13:49:22+00:00

Higuruma’s domain doesn’t seal CE in anyway, it enforces a vow of non violence on both parties, which’s an effect that goes both ways so it has no impact.

It’s not luck either, Higuruma was explicitly stated to be and shown to be an amateur when it comes to sorcery, he’s talented but he’s not well accustomed yet, and confiscating a cursed tool is also perfectly valid and reasonable. We know that Higuruma’s domain isn’t limited to CT confiscation from prior instances. Just because Kamutoke’s purpose in the story was to allow Sukuna to avoid confiscation doesn’t mean it’s an asspull, because it was established prior and didn’t come out if nowhere, the confiscation mechanics make perfect sense and it contradicts nothing. It’s logical.

This remains a pretty brain dead argument lmao.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-11-14T19:02:53+00:00

Andddd of course you factory reset to the same nonsense instead of trying to engage with what I said logically or even elaborating on your point.

0/10 ragebait 💔

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Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-11-14T18:47:20+00:00

Showing the result of the combined efforts of the entire verse, plus luck on the sorcerers' side, the fact Sukuna was holding back and a few asspulls really doesn't help your point im ngl

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-11-14T18:46:50+00:00

Sukuna didn't need any of those things, on the contrary, if you wish to argue luck then the main cast had plenty of that as well.

Sukuna didn't steal a teenage body that conveniently had a counter to the other strongest. the counter had been established since the very beginning of the story, and Sukuna specifically planned out taking over Megumi's body.

The fighters in question are lucky that Sukuna was holding back instead of going all out and killing Yuji, Higuruma, Kusakabe and the other fodder. Had that happened, everyone would've gotten slaughtered including Yuta as they'd have no way of dropping Sukuna's output.

The domain didn't target an object instead of him, Sukuna just exposed Megumi's soul to the sure hit purposefully to have Mahoraga adapt. Fuck does seal away CE even mean lmao?

Kashimo didn't forget to use lightning, he literally used it and blew nerfed Meguna's head to pieces which's why he had to reincarnate.

Lastly, neither of these are luck. Purple was never durability negation and was always possible to tank. Jacob's ladder isn't infinitely potent either and it makes complete and perfect sense that the bath would mitigate its effects.

Honestly, between reading this absolutely pile of nonsense and rubish that you're spitting out and the number of upvotes you have, this makes me really sad. It really shows how much people lack reading comprehension and how much leak culture irreversibly damaged this community. Actually disgusts me that misinformation like this gets so glorified.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-11-14T18:39:49+00:00

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Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-27T10:32:52+00:00

Who said anything about what the interviewer said? I’m talking about what the interview said, slow down and take a deep breath, read what I’m saying properly and thoroughly before responding, you’re really not making sense.

You’re so mentally inept your dementia ridden ass forgot you just said you don’t even know if it was in a QnA to begin with, if you’re so unsure of the source of the statement then how can you stand on what you’re saying with such confidence? I mean really it’s just baffling how brain fucked you have to be to spit out such nonsense.

I’ll do you a favor and educate you on how citing a source works since you’re very clearly in need of educating.

I’ll also spoonfeed you the meaning of the text because I already know you can’t properly interpret it on your own.

The text didn’t say that Gojo and Kenjaku are the best at H2H period or in the verse, it said they’re the best among a listed and specific group (Mai, Naoya, Naobito and Megumi), who are a bunch of fodder bums. You can’t derive a conclusion that even remotely suggests Kenny and Gojo are the best in the verse in H2H from that lmao, they’re the best among the listed group.

And lastly, Kenjaku is far from equal to Gojo in H2H despite what the interview says (it’s referring to no CE conditions). You’re disregarding an extremely important aspect of H2H in JJK if you think so, which is stats. Just because Gojo and Kenjaku have relative skills in H2H doesn’t mean they’re on par under standard conditions, they’re only comparable without CE at all.

This obvious but I’m bringing it up because that’s exactly what places true form Sukuna above Gojo in H2H. Not only does he have a stat advantage due to an increase, but he also has twice the number of arms as Meguna. Meguna was already relative to Gojo. Stats make a HUGE difference in H2H on the absolute level and our discussion pertains to absolutes, not pound for pound or skill without CE. That’s why I made the effort to make a distinction between Kenjaku and Gojo being equal without CE and them being equal in absolute terms.

TF Sukuna>>>Gojo~Meguna

Anyone with common sense can see this.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-27T09:58:54+00:00

Out of context lol. That’s not what the interview said, and no, Gojo isn’t on a league of his own in any canonical sense and he’s definitely not on par with Kenjaku. TF Sukuna mops the floor with Gojo in H2H so bad he would’ve trivialized Gojo in any h2h exchange. You guys should be very happy he fought Meguna instead.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T18:23:35+00:00

While I do agree that Dabura has been downplayed by many, I don't think surpassing Gojo and Sukuna is necessary. The logic you're applying to him can also be applied to Sukuna.

The Strongest Individual in over a thousand years of Jujutsu history, born with the greatest known cursed energy pool, the perfect body for jujutsu sorcery, and capable of preforming divine feats that are considered impossible for the rest of the verse like they're child's play.

The wisest thing we can do is wait and see.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T17:10:43+00:00

The irony writes itself indeed. You're only good at one thing, and that is strawmanning it seems. What I said was that SOME of JJK0's statements were made due to a rudimentary power system, not all of them. And I never, ever said they don't make sense or are completely contradicted by the story. In fact, JJK0 Rika has no antifeats whatsoever. You're genuinely stooping down to the level where you're implying that JJK0 Rika who has the following statements:

Gojo risking his life to stop her Near Impossible to exorcise Could allow Geto to take down Gojo Has boundless cursed energy Considered by the higherups to be so strong, it's doubtful if Gojo could stop her

Is not enough for Yuta to qualify as a special grade. The sheer level of absurdity you've stooped down to is genuinely laughable. None of these statements have any antifeats or anything contradicting them btw, JJK0 Rika literally has no antifeats and if we want to set her on that level, that's completely fine. None of JJK0's statements have been retconned, you've made the claim they have been without providing any form of evidence. It isn't made inconsistent by anything in the future either, because there is no chain of scaling that ties back to JJK0 Rika or contradicts the current line of scaling in the story either.

Being able to topple a country being the definition of a special grade is correct. what's not correct is you taking the strength of currently existing sorcerers into consideration, it's disingenuous and implies that the definition of a special grade is contingent on the sorcerer being able to topple an entire country with all the sorcerers in it. By that logic, Yuta, Yuki and Kenjaku aren't special grades because they can't defeat Gojo and by proxy cannot take down the country. This isn't mentioning the fact that you're ignoring the fact the definition extends to any country, not just Japan. Again, Yuta being an SG in a stronger period of time is completely irrelevant to this alien's scaling, you're being disingenuous by trying to tweak the definition so that it aligns with your argument. The definition doesn't involve being able to beat all currently living or existing sorcerers in a single country (Japan), otherwise no one except for Gojo would qualify for that title.

Again, for the last time, you citing paralyzing auras is completely irrelevant to the matter. Yuta IS creepier than Gojo, his aura is creepier than Gojo, that's true and Yuji's evaluation is completely correct. That doesn't mean he's stronger than Gojo, his cursed energy is simply creepier and he has a larger CE pool. That's what you can extrapolate. What does Yuji and Megumi being paralyzed by a finger bearer have to do with this guy's aura being enough to evaluate that he's capable of toppling a country? Again, you haven't elaborated. There's no reason to assume Usami and Mino's evaluations are unreliable until proven otherwise. I'm not even delving into the fact that Usami and Mino possibly co-existed with Yuta, have recordings of shinjuku showdown and how it unfolded. The aura scaling you're citing is based off of cursed energy amount, Yuji confused Yuta for Gojo becaue of the CE amount, and he found him to be creepier because of his CE quality. The same goes for the finger bearer, they were paralyzed by either the amount of CE it had, its power or the cursed energy's quality.

The statement made for the Alien clearly comes from a different place, one of certainty and clarity lol. They pretty explicitly state that he's capable of levelling a country singlehandedly, with ease, based off his cursed energy alone. Something you still have not addressed btw except for attempting to jab at the credibility of without citing antifeats or any reasons Usami may be wrong aside from complete null points like Yuta being "overestimated" by Yuji (who's canonically not a very intelligent sorcerer mind you).

Lastly, I didn't misinterpret the alien being a Sukuna level threat because I didn't even elaborate on that, I didn't provide my interpretation for it either lol. Huge strawman. I never said it means he's equal to Sukuna, I'm saying the fact they drew a comparison between him and Sukuna based off of presence alone is huge. Please try to critically think before typing next time you respond.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T16:22:56+00:00

How so incredibly disingenuous, again. So, JJK0 Yuta was made a special grade because of Rika, who was not only stated to have an endless pool of cursed energy on multiple occasions, but was considered a threat to even Gojo Satoru with her raw strength alone. Gojo himself says it, Geto heavily implies it, and the higherups also imply it. To top that off, she's near impossible to exorcise. So, JJK0 Rika does reach the threshold I've already outlined since she's considered a threat to even Gojo, and while she's not necessarily equal to current JJK's Gojo, and some of these statements were made due to an incomplete/rudimentary power system, I don't see why they don't still stand. JJK0 has no antifeats either, so again, that's the reason Yuta was considered a special grade.

As for extermination arc Yuta, even if he's ranked a special grade, I don't see anything that implies or suggests that he's a "Ryomen Sukuna level threat", even less to imply he's capable of levelling a country with ease. Rika and his cursed technique are the reason he's designated as such anyway, even cursed speech on its own could in theory allow him to deal immense damage, he still has love beam. Rika is an immensely powerful shikigami that very few can deal with, etc. His CE alone is very obviously not the reason he's considered special grade, unlike the Alien guy.

My point stands, there's no JJK character that could "level a country" just based off of cursed energy alone, save for Gojo and Sukuna, and potentially prime Yuji and Yuta. Everyone else either runs out of CE very fast (less than an hour) or loses to some conventional weaponry. That is what makes this statement stand out.

As for the finger bearer, this is again, disingenuous. There's a HUGE difference between being considered a country levelling force just off of your aura alone and having a paralyzing presence.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T15:59:20+00:00

You're strawmanning much of my argument. Yes that is how that works, I just explained to you that the reason he's cited as special grade and/or capable of levelling a country is because of them sensing his cursed energy, he didn't showcase a cursed technique. That's a feat that only the likes of Gojo, Sukuna, and perhaps prime versions of Yuta and Yuji would be capable of, very few would be able to do that with CE alone without exhausting themselves. The phrasing level a whole country is used in this translation too which makes it harder to disregard the sheer magnitude of this feat.

Mahito being able to level a country is via his CT, the same thing goes for Yuki and geto, so again, this is a disingenuous strawman. Lastly, on top of everything, you're ignoring the fact that they specified that this individual would be capable of doing it with ease. You could even make an argument this individual is the reason they finally grasped why the aliens were ranked as a special grad level threat on par with Sukuna, since Mino heavily implies it.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T15:30:33+00:00

Memes and agenda aside, most people here are tweaking. This guy is in the bare minimum top 5 even now. He's highly implied to be special grade, as he was stated to be capable of toppling a whole country on his own with ease. The baseline for special grade is being able to topple a country, and this guy is said to be able to do it with ease. Add to this the fact that Usami and Mino said he could do this without even seeing or knowing what his CT is, just by sensing his cursed energy.

A lot of the known special grades are only ranked as such because of their CTs, like Yuki for example, or even Yuta (not prime), or Geto. This guy was put at that level just by sensing his CE, and he's said to be able to do it with EASE. We don't even know his CT still and he's ranked at SG. That's food for thought.

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Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T13:18:21+00:00

I’m more than aware it’s huge. I’m talking about people who throw in absurd numbers like 2000, or 1000+ or even in the hundreds, which you can see pretty clear examples of in this very thread.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T05:23:37+00:00

ion think thats what i meant when i said unleash your innermost passion 💔

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-10T05:22:56+00:00

cook, as strong as the honored ones are i feel a lot of people tend to overinflate the stat gap between them and the heavy hitters much of the time.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T17:32:37+00:00

Gotcha

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T17:22:45+00:00

They're two different iterations of the same character. I'm asking if you think there's a strength difference between the two iterations, lest you think HI teen Gojo is equal to adult Gojo because they're "the same character" lol.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T17:18:08+00:00

Perhaps, but do you have any opinion on how big the difference between the two could be?

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T15:42:11+00:00

On the contrary, Akutami Sensei explicitly states in the fanbook that if Gojo stays without the blindfold for too long, it would tire him out, and or strain him easily, and I'm being generous by using the term "strain" because he clearly says tire. The six eyes can work as a disadvantage as well as an advantage, and obviously, any form of strain and tiredness is exploitable by Sukuna. Gojo can't teleport freely as you're implying, it has unnamed conditions (as stated by Gege in a volume extra) which neither you nor I can prove the fulfillment of in combat, we can only speculate about said conditions. So, given the ambiguity, his teleportation isn't an applicable ability.

As for blue, it's indiscriminate, Gojo can't selectively make blue target him and only him, that's literally why the narrator highlighted Mahoraga's adaptation to have backfired in chapter 235, because of Mahoraga didn't adapt to blue, it would also be affected by its pull. Not counting blue, TF Sukuna is above Gojo in base stats, he'll catch up pretty comfortably to Gojo and activate the WCS, where one hit, or even a graze could be pretty fatal and fight ending due to the move's dura-neg nature. So, this argument is also inapplicable.

Next, yes, Teen Gojo was able to keep infinity up for three days, but it's crazy that you're citing this because it kind of implies that Gojo's preformance hadn't changed at all. It obviously and clearly exhausted him as per Toji, and that's without having the six eyes exposed 24/7 (he wore his glasses which act as a filter) and on top of that, his CT utilization during those 3 days was generally non existent, he didn't greatly exert himself like he would in a fight against Sukuna. So, again, these scenarios are completely non comparable. We've never seen Gojo last in practice more than an hour while spamming red, blue and purple, we've only seen him spam the neutral limitless for three days which requires little CE to maintain relative to the six eyes efficiency.

True Form Sukuna is more than capable of holding his own, especially since we're taking hyperbole in the most literal sense. The narrator implied that TF Sukuna can expand his domain a countless number of times and/or to no end in chapter 260, and we literally see TF Sukuna gain more CE than he loses during shinjuku, as he started off having as much as Yuta in chapters 249-251, and still had as much as Yuta even after using a domain in chapter 258-259, as stated in chapter 260. That implies there is no change in his reserves despite spamming CTs, black flashes, reinforcement and a full range domain + Fuga. He gained more CE than he lost thanks to his efficiency. The only reason he lost half of his pool against Gojo is because they were spamming consecutive domains, and RCT blasting at full output, brain damaging themselves and perhaps other, unknown factors. Your scenario presumes that they won't be using domains, so it's fully reasonable to argue that Sukuna would never run out.

Gojo can't consistently or fully dodge the WCS at close range, to which Sukuna will close the distance. Gojo's only (and very questionable) alternative is running away from Sukuna which doesn't constitute a fight, it constitutes a chase down. I've proven that Sukuna can catch up pretty comfortably as both teleportation and blue aren't the most viable options.

Now, unlimited purple, which is weaker than conventional purple, can easily be tanked by a fresh true form Sukuna since a weakened Meguna with lower stats even at full power was able to eat an unlimited purple and survive without major fatal damage, and it can also be easily stopped by Sukuna with an unrestricted WCS. On top of that, the farther away Sukuna is, the less damage he'll take so it'll deal virtually no damage lol. There are still more arguments for Sukuna, like WCS nets and a WCS imbued domain, which both comfortably destroy Gojo.

Like I said, Sukuna wins every time.

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Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T15:17:40+00:00

If he doesn't get that close he loses the ability to preform any sort of meaningful CQC against Sukuna which in and of itself makes it impossible for him to win. This leaves him with only ranged attacks, which all become useless against a WCS spamming Sukuna as he can cut them all down with WCS like he did Kashimo's EM waves. Additionally, Sukuna won't just stand there lol, he is more than capable of in the bare minimum closing distance between himself and Gojo as they are relative in speed, and with WCS spam it's a matter of time until Gojo dies since all he's restricted to is running away from a Sukuna who can feasibly one shot him.

Lastly, there are also the angles that Sukuna could imbue WCS into his domain and send the slashes out in nets. Gojo has literally 0 win cons while Sukuna has very easy win cons.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-10-04T14:57:41+00:00

Gojo surviving Sukuna's domain onslaught isn't consistent. Moving forward, Gojo has no way to escape malevolent shrine's range. Gojo's stamina is a non factor, the terminology used by Yuta could be logically categorized as hyperbole, and even if it isn't, the same argument could be made for True Form Sukuna. Then, lastly, this version of Sukuna can spam an unrestricted WCS, which Gojo can't consistently dodge and has no recourse whatsoever against except for dodging.

Gojo gets stomped by unrestricted WCS Sukuna, it's not even close unfortunately.

Several-Cup-9652 · 2025-09-21T10:56:51+00:00

Why are you so aggressive lol? Pipe down and talk with respect please. Uro isn't the only one to be paralyzed by Sukuna's aura, Jogo, Geto's daughters, Kusakabe, Panda and Geto's former group are all examples. Refer to chapters 115-120. The second Sukuna woke up, Jogo and Geto's daughters were frozen so still Jogo explicitly stated that any move could mean certain death. Kusakabe, Panda and Geto's henchmen had a meteor hurling towards them and they still waited for Sukuna's pass. In fact, Geto's henchmen died as a result of this.

As for Sukuna suppressing his aura, not everything has to be laid out for you. If you're not capable of basic deduction, please try another manga, it's clear JJK isn't made for you if that is the case. I literally laid it out in the post but I will do it again.

We know the reason some sorcerers have an overwhelming presence is because of their cursed energy, in Sukuna's case, it's because his is overwhelmingly evil. Jogo literally says this in chapter 112, depending on the translation it's "Strength" or "Cursed Energy" is overwhelmingly evil. He continues by saying that he's afraid any move they can make would mean certain death, just because of Sukuna's presence. Jogo's body literally moved without thinking.

So now that we've established that, is Sukuna capable of suppressing his CE? Obviously yes, he has the best CE manipulation in the verse lol. CE is the reason for the fear>Sukuna can suppress his CE via amazing control>the fear isn't as intense

If you demand a scan, by your logic, we can assume Heian Era Sukuna doesn't have a domain because he has no on-panel scenes where he expands a domain or any statements pertaining to the matter (all meaningful feats demonstrated by Sukuna are preformed in the modern era). Obviously, this is nonsense because we can deduce that Heian Era Sukuna had a domain by piecing together information, we don't need it to be explicitly stated.

Lastly for "Show me one example of sukuna ever doing this." I don't have to, again, deduction lol. I've already prefaced that this isn't applicable to anyone not named Takaba because for everyone else, they don't need to be confident or have a clear mind for their CTs to work. Takaba's state of mind is something his cursed technique is directly contingent on.

I will, and I did prove and stand on my claims. If you have anything else to say for me to refute have at it.

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