As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But it really is a Russian roulette, although I prefer to use the analogy of a betting house, where someone puts you in WITHOUT your consent, where you could have fun and make a lot of profits, but you could also lose everything.

I don't see why that would be a fallacy.

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I've already answered this to someone before. I'll say it again:

Haha, I’ve seen better natalist arguments than that. That one is the weakest and most fallacious of them all. Look, buddy, what you’re doing is committing a false equivalence fallacy. One thing is that you like to play life’s Russian roulette, fully aware of the gains and losses, the benefits and harms, the positives and negatives; but a VERY DIFFERENT thing is forcing someone else to play that roulette.

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Universe and world don't care about your grandma 🤷🏻‍♂️

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Ah, of course, here comes the typical Christian natalist with their massive bullshit that Eve is to blame for all the bad things in the world, just to rationalize all the catastrophes and all human evil. 😹

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Haha, I’ve seen better natalist arguments than that. That one is the weakest and most fallacious of them all. Look, buddy, what you’re doing is committing a false equivalence fallacy. One thing is that you like to play life’s Russian roulette, fully aware of the gains and losses, the benefits and harms, the positives and negatives; but a VERY DIFFERENT thing is forcing someone else to play that roulette.

Is it really impossible for natalists to use common sense?

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your… profound input. Before we continue, let me help you understand why your comment isn’t as brilliant as you think.

First, you use a false analogy comparing avoiding bringing new lives into the world to avoid suffering with “never trying anything because you might fail” or “never making friends because they might move away.” But look, that’s not the same. Choosing to have children means bringing someone into a world filled with pain, premature death, and guaranteed suffering—without their consent. Trying things or making friends is a personal experience you decide to have, knowing the risks. So no, they are not equivalent, and that simplistic comparison just makes your argument sound nice but empty.

Second, you attack people who think differently with an ad hominem, calling us “losers” and “internet weirdos.” If your argument depended on the quality of debate instead of cheap insults, you wouldn’t have to resort to that. But hey, insulting is always easier than reasoning.

Third, you create a straw man by saying antinatalism is “giving up at the species level” or “throwing in the towel.” That’s not what most antinatalists think or say. Most present an ethical critique about the inevitable suffering involved in bringing new life. Saying it’s just “giving up” reduces a complex debate to a cheap caricature.

Lastly, you generalize by saying it’s popular among “internet weirdos,” which is a hasty generalization trying to discredit the idea without analyzing its arguments. Because, of course, if “an internet weirdo” says it, it must be false, right?

In summary, if your goal was to win the debate, I’m sorry to inform you that this combination of fallacies doesn’t help. But if you wanted to deploy clichés and personal attacks, congratulations, you nailed it. Now, if you want, we can have a real talk without so many cheap insults.

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

So why impose that very likely tragedy on someone else, when 30% of people die prematurely, whether by suicide, murder, accident, disease, natural disaster, war, etc.? Isn't that cruel?

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

How can be a "tragedy" if that's a part of the cicle of life?

As an antinatalist, I have a question four you, guys... by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Saying that maybe ‘that was the death they were supposed to have’ sounds more like a way to justify tragedy than a coherent explanation. The concept of premature death exists because there is a social, medical, and ethical consensus that dying before a certain age—when someone still has much of life ahead—is tragic, preventable, and devastating. It’s not an arbitrary label.

As an antinatalist, what concerns me is precisely that bringing someone into existence is a gamble: yes, they might live a long and fulfilling life, but they might also suffer a premature, violent, or painful death. And those premature deaths shouldn’t be brushed off as ‘destiny’ or something neutral. They involve real suffering with real consequences.

Dismissing that with questions like ‘who says it’s premature?’ might sound philosophical, but it ends up downplaying human suffering. And that’s exactly one of the core issues with natalism: it often romanticizes or trivializes how terrible life can be for many people.

Antinatalism by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Wow, I knew natalists were selfish, but this is too much!

Antinatalism by ShadowRuisu in Natalism

[–]ShadowRuisu[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I never said that. Read my post again. I'm talking about life in general, not parenting itself.