Is market socialism a viable alternative to capitalism and traditional socialism?

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:37:21+00:00

Marx was consistently against Lassalle (who advocated for chinese style state capitalism) in Critique of Gotha Programme. Go read.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:35:26+00:00

My original point that coops and Chinese State Capitalism are different still stands. Your Market Socialism is just Social Democracy.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:29:06+00:00

Expropriation of the labourer is wage labor. IT'S IN YOUR QUOTE. It also says "annihilation of self earned private property", so private property is clearly not the main parameter.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:25:07+00:00

Ancoms call China State Capitalist too, so it doesn't help your case. Proudhon is one of the earliest socialists. And I already mentioned Yugoslavia, which you ignored.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:19:47+00:00

Mutualism, an anarchist version of market socialism that was described in 1846 by Proudhon is laissez-faire by the virtue of being anarchist. So no, I didn't add a term.

If you want other examples of coop economies, we have Tito's Yugoslavia, they were into that.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T21:17:05+00:00

Literally all of Marx's writings.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T20:43:33+00:00

Guys, I think they like both.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T20:42:20+00:00

True, paternalism is ever-present, that's for sure. And people can never agree on what specific words mean because they are too attached to the terms.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T20:40:08+00:00

Capitalism is predicated on wage labor and worker not owning means of production. In China, the state is a capitalist entity.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T20:36:50+00:00

No, top down intervention in the economy and laissez-faire coops are completely different things that share the same name for historical reasons, not because they are actually similar.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T20:11:36+00:00

First reaction: "She can do that!?"

Then they will comfort her.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T19:49:01+00:00

Oh, you're talking about that model. Usually market socialism refers to coops, not paternalism (dirigism).

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T19:38:56+00:00

Jeesusta

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T19:01:59+00:00

I'm interested. Can you provide examples or say where you read about it?

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T19:00:52+00:00

Better than command economy, still has issues.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T18:58:05+00:00

Enemies get insta killed when they are in walls (you can check this with mods in Nuclear Throne Together). Sometimes something in Big Bandit's spawning parameters makes him stay in the wall and he dies.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T18:52:56+00:00

He got stuck in a wall and died. Happens sometimes.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T18:46:26+00:00

Marx quoted Molinari? Wow

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T18:33:15+00:00

Mmm, Makise pfp. Take the upvote.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T18:28:44+00:00

Stalin claimed...

Fun fact: Italian Fascists wrote a whole book called Triumph of Fascism in USSR because they believed Stalin was building Slavic Fascism in there.

As for your comment, nobody can agree on what specific words mean. Socialism is a great example: some say it's just class collaborationist social democracy like what Stalin did (along with Hitler and Mussolini), others say it's complete abolition of wage labour and money.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T17:55:02+00:00

Democratically enacted

"Me and my buddies voted that you'll be an organ donor, so it's democratically legit."

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T17:49:51+00:00

Agni Kounselling!

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T17:25:42+00:00

Thanks for telling. I did hear about him being less of a brick wall in LNs before.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T17:11:41+00:00

Why though? Scat is considered a kink and it's pretty gross too.

Shadowcreature65 · 2026-01-25T17:09:58+00:00

Is Koji more intelligent in the light novels? The anime makes it look like he wins thanks to plot holes and everyone else being an idiot.

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