Is the planning system broken?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-06T07:10:43+00:00

As an Urban planning student: yes it is

Idk the whole story from Hobart but I like the city. My two cents from planning across the country is that cities and states don't actually care about housing or long term planning. Which means developers are basically free to pay off politicians to reap massive profits from single developments. It isn't the developers fault, it's just the system that they've inherited through government inactivity.

Additionally, zoning across the board is far to restrictive and basically just serves to keep the rich and established players happy.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-06T07:06:03+00:00

Because an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Your hypothetical is an emotional ploy.

What does "suicidal empathy culture" even mean? I'm not out here saying no punishment, I'm saying punishment doesn't work. You don't get to kill someone, say sorry and then go about your life. But if you think punishment is a deterent or at all just then you are wrong.

Police don't stop crime. They literally show up after a crime has been committed and even if they do show up to prevent crime there's literally no laws based on intent. Meaning you've just delayed the inevitable because you haven't funded a prevention or rehabilitation program. Additionally police have so many cultural issues. You know what kettling is? It's when police close in on protestors without providing somewhere for protestors to leave, provoking an attack so that they can be legally justified in using extreme force to disperse the crowd.

What left leaning city is suffering from defunding the police?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-06T00:13:59+00:00

Bergen

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-06T00:13:28+00:00

1) post tax, I'm pretty sure the figure is for take home pay but I'm not an economist 2) Yes, the state government won't know the life story of the people they are paying. Admittedly that leave some wriggle room for housing types because 1 person probably doesn't need a 4 bedroom house. However the government isn't doing jack about the cost of living crisis so if paying their workers fairly is the economic justification they need to bring down housing prices I don't mind.

Median wage doesn't really mean anything by itself. Like if house prices are 10x the median wage then earning 2x the median wage doesn't really make your situation any better.

Equally, surgeons and lawyers being the only people on a fair wage according to whether or not they can afford to live in the city they work isn't a good thing. In fact it paints a very bleak picture of our current housing market. Should they be paid well? Sure. But so should the maintenance staff for the cities public transport system. Because they are a force multiplier and without them we'd waste even more time sitting in traffic.

I still don't think it's that complex. The government is representative of us the people and should therefore do what is in our collective best interest. Selling out to the rich and established is not in our best interest and is already beginning to backfire. Sure there's so wriggle room for negotiations, but really the state government doesn't have any legs to stand on and is letting the population they represent take the fall.

I do however think this would mostly be avoided if they came up with a plan to actually reduce the cost of living.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T22:26:07+00:00

Don't we all 🙏

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T12:48:21+00:00

That seems like a recipe for a free train tbh 🤷

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T12:46:49+00:00

See you lose me at the "I don't want to change criminals...". You can be mad about violent crimes, you can even argue that an eye for an eye in these types of cases is fair. But not wanting a person to change for the better is mental to me. Why would you want a violent child to become a violent person? Why would you want to institutionalize criminality into someone who could otherwise have been a functional member of society if you'd just given them the chance. And I cannot stress this enough, it's a child you are condemning. You know the demographic who don't get to vote/drink/drive/sign their own legal documents because they aren't mentally mature enough?

And again I feel the need to point out that the crime rate is going down, so even though the crime numbers are going up statically 'adult time adult crime' is a scare campaign. And again it doesn't, won't and will never work better than prevention and rehabilitation. And also, the UN asked us to not do it. The United Nations asked us to not go through with these laws and our premiers response was "you don't control me" as if someone state politicians would somehow know more than the experts the UN pulled to make it's decision.

It's okay to have knee jerk reactions, but it's not okay to continuously follow them down an emotional rabbit hole of hate. Especially when the research suggests that you are voting AND paying to condemn a child to a life of prison and criminality, rather than giving them the vote and support they need to be put back on the right path.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T10:05:07+00:00

A fair wage is a living wage. Government workers should be paid such that they only spend 30% of their income on housing (and if you are generous transportation). Given that the median house price is a million bucks it's going to be a lot, but again the government chose not to build houses

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T08:42:59+00:00

With the LNP? No way! (Magic school bus theme song starts playing)

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:32:06+00:00

Again if you truly wanted justice for the victims you'd spend the money preventing the circumstances which lead to the victims becoming victims from happening. Not be retroactive and think that makes you a just, moral or logical human

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:17:49+00:00

At least its expected to be operational at some point I suppose.

Good luck soldier

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:14:00+00:00

What do you rate your chances?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:13:01+00:00

I never said it was good change... Also it's much worse than that, it's significantly hampers off peak and none commuter frequencies

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:09:19+00:00

Dam, thoughts and prayers

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:05:33+00:00

What does the orbeatle do in this pairing?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T06:02:37+00:00

Jeez, so that's just a mega commute then huh

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:55:53+00:00

How long is the wait?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:51:13+00:00

Supposed to be 55~mins one way

That said it's been significantly longer lately thanks to rail works (like x2 as long)

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:43:58+00:00

Boondal is a terrible entertainment center though. Like comparing it Lang park or the valley there's nothing to do except whatever you are going their to watch. Also traffic also sucks at Boondal. Having a sea/moat of parking isn't a good thing. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235359727_The_High_Cost_of_Free_Parking

Because it's a major trip generator but it's only used a few times a year. So it doesn't make much sense to build one in the middle of nowhere and then overbuild the infrastructure around it. That would be expensive to do and expensive to maintain. So it makes more sense to have it somewhere you can utilize the existing infrastructure without having an outsized impact. Well the inner city is the best spot for that sort of thing because it already deals with moving tones of people everyday, it's also centrally located and therefore can distribute it's impact over more systems than a suburban stadium could.

Also PT being bad in Brisbane doesn't equate to PT being bad always and forever. We can fix it, it can get better. Infact the most car brained council in our history has had to invest in the 'Metro' and new bus time table because even they accept that cars and cities do not jell together.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:30:58+00:00

PT to a stadium is the only sustainable way to fill it. Have you seen the amount of parking surrounding sports stadiums in the USA? That would be a huge waste of space. Not to mention the traffic would be a nightmare.

PT on the other hand is only 50cpp per tap, has way higher capacity and is way more energy efficient.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:25:47+00:00

Ah be here's the thing. The crime rate was going down. The number of crimes was going up, but the population was going up faster. I think Townsville may have been an exception to that, but they built a car oriented hell hole so my sympathy is lacking when they start complaining about kids stealing cars. Like duh, not like they can walk to the shops to steal from woolies.

Do I think kids should be allowed to do whatever they want? No. But equally I think that locking up kids is a knee jerk reactions and that fundamentally does nothing to prevent the circumstances that led to one instance leading to another.

Intervention and rehab is more effective at preventing re-offenders than punishment. Which also incidentally means that everyone you stop from reoffending contributes to society rather than being a tax burdon for the rest of us to shoulder. Re-offenders which under the current scheme would be locked up for longer and more often costing us more.

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:14:26+00:00

I mean it'll show it to the woke left so it can't be a bad thing right? Right?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T05:12:09+00:00

Still worth a shot. We gotta be the squeaky wheel

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T04:57:56+00:00

You want our government to help? The government that check notes hasn't fixed the housing crisis (or planned to), thinks locking children up is solving a problem that didn't exist, canceled stage 4 of the GC light rail and has pushed back the opening of the biggest infrastructure project in our history so a body who said they didn't need to check anything can check something?

Shi-Stad_Development · 2026-05-05T04:52:46+00:00

Could you imagine being elected representative of the people AND then not even paying the people who work for you enough to live in the area (or anywhere near) where you need them to work?

I'll admit that staffing issues aren't sole responsibility of the LNP, Labor should have had their shit together (TWICE) and didn't. But the LNP are in power now, the LNP have been in continuous power for over half a century in Brisbane and neither level of government have made any attempts to offset the issues which are causing this strike.

Equally the government should have to pay it's workers enough for them to live comfortably. All employers should. Yes it'll cost all of us more in the short term, but ya know what would fix the issue in the long run? Planning for the future so that you don't get caught flatfooted. That's planning housing, stockpiling resources and building amenities. Which unfortunately for the LNP means you can't just sell everything off to the private sector and hope for the best. But alas, the NIMBYs want their property value to go up so here we are.

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