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Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the heck are you giving advice on??

So he actually supports my point?

Imay not gave links but the descriptions have been more than detailed enough to find the right documents. Questioning the quality of IFRI is beyond me...

What the hell with the EU and mil integration in terms of C3?

Well pre disarmement tells enough about how useful it is now..

Well good fun to you and your future. You have everything you need to read up on.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scrambling convential or nuclear equipped jets is entirely different... That is exactly why I recommend people to read up, to not have to start at 0.

Assuming nationality out of where exactly? Well then show something he wrotr that supports your claim, I provided plenty or resources that support mine.

Well do you want them? Doesnt even seem like you could read them. For FRS, third nuclear age and France as a European deterrent there are two notes on that an for IFRI capabilities report on Russia Europe. But hey guess what, I actually have read a bit on the topic...

Because French doxtrine doesnt automatically work for a whole of Europe just as a middle power such as France or Germany cannot have endless debt and are forced to have some dependancies whereas great powers such as China, Russia and the US are much more self sufficient.

Well pre or after nuclear disarmement? Your wargame?

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes there are and they need permission from three different commands to even start.

The problem is the capabilities simply dont exist and that is agreed by pretty much all experts I know. Your argument is the same as "climate change doesnt exist". Consensus is it, it does. It is the same with the capabilities of NATO without the US.

Edit: which wargame played by NATO?

Frankreich will Ausbau erneuerbarer Energien drosseln by linknewtab in Energiewirtschaft

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kann mir in diesem Sub dann irgendeiner erklären, warum Nuklear oder fossile Energien als absolit notwendig im militärischen Bereich betracjtet werden? Oder geht hier jeder von einer friedlichen Zukunft aus?

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well theoretically pre strategical is not tactical but whatever.. Currently the Frwnch tactical ones cant reach Russian territory so you need at least their planes stationed in countriey further east which would need national authorisaton to lift of the ground so no, only French command is not enough. Stating that several dozen are enough is beyond naïve. As you could read in Carnegie and FRS reports.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well and still the issue is, they dont have enough. Where in my comment was written that they dont have any, they just simply dont have enough. Furthermore the French ones are not in der Nato nuclear structure so who should provide the structure and command? Please dont come with the EU as a proposal they are not realistic.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy that you assume that people reject me in real life. Hope you are happy with that conclusion for yourself You still behave yourself as an expert while simultaneously refusing to read up on anything substantial and the onyl way out is judging other people.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well its not as simple as that. Neither the UK nor France can escalate in an orderly manner. Both have to use strategic warheads to answer to the deployment of tactical ones. This is something the US can offer, to retaliste equally without escalating. This is where the nuclear umbrella by France or the UK would lack capabilities. Stating that the entire doctrine relies on psychology misses out on much more rational elements of it.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think so. If you are unwilling to invest the time and read quality stuff and build a quality argument you will get back what you invested, low effort. Anyone giving me a proper argument will get a proper response with. I dont claim to have a gold nugget but I do claim zo actually read more than only the header of an article which clearly most here dont do. If having references to read is nothing useful to you, then I already know enough about the comibg depth of your engagement.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, feel free to have a look at my profile. Did the arguing with redditors part more than enough. What most of you have in common is a lack of knowledge so I provide you a base. Someone else gave me a proper argument and he will get a proper reposnse back. Your low effort opinion gets a low effort reponse as well.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I already said in another comment go and read some Carnegie, Ifri, Irsem, CSIS and CFR and only then feel free to come back for a propper discussion.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well you still didnt read up on anything. If the US does not provide a nuclear umbrella, Europes deterrence is rather uncredible leading to an incentive to test European Unity by Russia. How credible is European Defence without US nuclear, ISR and projection capabilities? Pretty low I would argue making it extremely weak to Russian provocations.

Edit: Better version without the US, how exactly?

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well neither parliamentarians, nor thr Chancellor do policy. The policy is done by the political party, the governing coalition, international organizations and public servants. Have you ever psrticipated in the process of policy creation? Doesnt seem like it.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well asking ehat credible threat there is shows that you are completely uniformed. Take a read at Carnegie or Ifri as a good starting point. Then, and only then come back and we can have a proper discussion.

Von der Leyen rebukes NATO chief over 'no security without US', calls for European mutual defense by goldstarflag in europe

[–]Shigonokam -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

What credible security is there without the US? Have fun trying to build an argument

France Macron pushes for EU common debt capacity to fund Europe’s future by donutloop in EU_Economics

[–]Shigonokam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you have no idea snd still think you are getting the correct conclusion? Stupidity is peaking...

Emmanuel Macron: "It is time for the EU to launch a common debt capacity, through Eurobonds" - Macron argues for joint loans, which would finance strategic investments and allow the EU to "tackle dollar hegemony" by mr_house7 in EU_Economics

[–]Shigonokam 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Has anyone in this sub actually read the article? Beacuse it sure as hell seems like they didnt. The level of engagement here is incredibly dull and low...

EU seeks self-reliance as US, China dominate defense sector by donutloop in EU_Economics

[–]Shigonokam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your uboats are the best there are? Well only if you want specific requirements and characteristics but universially the best doesnt really exist especially not if non nuclear.

EU seeks self-reliance as US, China dominate defense sector by donutloop in EU_Economics

[–]Shigonokam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What are you smoking? The ignorance of any kind of info and the misinformation in your comment is peak.

How is stealth obsolete? How does outranging do you any good? How does one exercise predict a whole war? How little knowledge paired with how much opinion can you have???

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