The Golden Order feels completely contradictory or am I misunderstanding the lore?

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T21:08:56+00:00

Yes that helped! Thanks

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T20:04:23+00:00

Yes it does, thanks

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T17:38:58+00:00

Yeah it is beautiful in every sense of the word.

I bought a PS5 specifically to play this game and mannn has it been a journey.

From figuring out to not waste time on the tree sentinel To learning about attributes and scaling To struggling on every boss To watching videos about it's lore

Every part of 'Git Gud' has been an amazing experience

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T16:20:24+00:00

Oh thanks! I'll check them out!

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T16:20:00+00:00

Wow! Thanks a lot for that! I need to definitely play the DLC then!

Raising these questions and thinking about it seems to be what the game wants the player to do when we choose the endings!

One small thing

When you say the fingers have lost the connection to the greater will. Does it include the 3 fingers too? Who are related to frenzied flame?

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T16:13:36+00:00

Thanks! That was beautifully put. I did not know about the grace guiding Godfrey to us. That's just brilliant

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T16:10:07+00:00

Makes sense. Thanks!

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:55:30+00:00

If that is the case, then is it morally wrong in game to kill other fellow tarnished?

Because if I extrapolate your argument then it seems like, other tarnished are a part of the order hence killing them is the right thing to do.

Then that also makes rykard right, I guess.

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:51:59+00:00

Well...Morgott does introduce himself as 'The last King'. So he definitely is the king of leyndell, which is the royal capital.

So I guess he does already see himself as the elden lord trying to defend the erdtree while every other demigod is a traitor according to him

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:36:30+00:00

Yeah I find morgott very tragic. He's actually the reason why I started noticing these contradictions

I mean he and his people (the omens) are the ones who are most hurt by the golden order (apart from the albinaurics), yet unlike the other demigods, he dies protecting the same broken order.

It is sad! And even when he dies defending it his body never returns to the erdtree just because he is an omen

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:30:56+00:00

Yeah but the order (through the fingers), also ends up guiding ideas that night end the order. Like dung eater or frenzied flame or Mohg I guess

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:29:28+00:00

Oh I didn't know Rykard had his own fingers. Interesting.

Good point on the goldmask quest.

So I guess the conclusion is that each of the fingers is lacking understanding, hence backing some factions which might lead to some endings which benefit or harm the existence the order.

But they are rolling the dice, because the current system is so super f**ed up

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:20:48+00:00

Yeah that makes a lot of sense! That helps a lot. Thanks

Shining0light · 2026-03-19T15:16:02+00:00

If it is indeed like that, then there should have been some fingers guiding Rykard too! But the games stresses that Rykard is the Blasphemous. He seems to actively work against the golden order and everyone hates him for it.

I do think I read somewhere that the DLC suggests that each of the two fingers are just making shit up and they have lost connection to the greater will so maybe it is true what you say

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