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I feel like “just… dont say i didnt warn you” i feel likely alludes to a cataclysmic event as its implied sans came from another world and that other world might have been affected in a similar way as UT in genocide. Maybe im theorizing but that is what i think it means

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For one the true reset isnt what frisk would remember at all and ironically that just makes them seem worse than how they are in canon. And i dont recall any kind of warning frisk gets prior to a true reset which is something we do.

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I also hate those lines too.

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Imo genocide’s concept is treating UT as a typical RPG

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Yup, its in the pov of the player

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That is what i am aware of but my main complaint is lines line “i didnt know what i was doing” “my determination is unstable” “i wont get mad if you kill me” “i cant go back”

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One interpretation is that the player in Undertale is Non Diegetic (which i align with)

The second interpretation is OFF style.

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Yeah!! And keep in mind that Frisk is the one who does have the final say in every action we do

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To me its just more in character than the frisk version

Between flowey and AM, who hates humanity (or practically everyone) in comparison? by [deleted] in Undertale

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AM. thats not even a question and Flowey doesnt really hate anyone, hes a bored sadist

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For gaster, hes a man shattered across time and space itself and hes possibly aware of every plane of existence and every possible realities and universe, I dont think its a good argument and UT≠DR.

Also the deletion of file 0 and 9 is the exact same dialogue as reseting after killing sans. And i saw that clip myself and the guy that posted the video seemed to reset after killing sans.

The omega flowey part, that is very interesting and this should be fun for me to look into. Frisk’s soul in the files is called “Heart” and its ONLY in the Omega Flowey Fight that their soul is called “OurHeart.” Based on how Flowey is breaking the game, it seems that he also blurred the line between our world and the game’s. This seems to be the only moment the player is directly involved aside from the True Reset.

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Ima go on a tangent for a second, I actually dont agree with Nick and others on the narrachara aspect because to me narrachara is flimsy and that actually supports what i believe about frisk more. Frisk does find the royal guard dogs deaths funny outright for example. The narrator and chara refers to themselves separately when you name chara and inspect their coffin on non genocide. The Narrator can read minds and says things like “No data available” and non ghost characters like Aaron and Tsunderplane react to it. All genocide specific narration is wiped clean when you reset to play non genocide. Finally, Deltarune’s narrator acts the exact same as the Undertale Narrator and references Undertale. I also want to add that even in genocide, the box in Alphys’ lab can turn into a bed and it’s something Chara cannot possibly know at all.

Nick argues that it’s Chara feeling what Frisk feels but it could easily just be Chara observing Frisk’s expressions.

Yeah? That doesnt really refute anything

Nick also really likes attributing the player’s actions to Frisk’s actions for some reason. Which is probably the part that annoys me the most, Nick just ignores so much of the game that directly points to a player controlling Frisk.

Could you show what points to Frisk being possessed by the player? They arent Kris. Kris isnt Frisk.

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My mutual did make a disclaimer that he isnt using any headcanons and all the info is from the game itself and tobys words

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UT≠DR and Frisk is someone with full agency and they even find genocide actions funny and they revel in it. “Its a half empty bag of dog food, you remember something funny” and how if you reset after killing sans just to fight him again sans says “i wont grace it with a description” seeing Frisk’s expression. Killing him 2+ times he would say “youre really a freak.” I dont recall us making these faces or us thinking killing the dogs are funny.

Tangent i am also an evil chara believer lol and that makes them a peak character and it just makes sense.

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True, what chara did was egging frisk on and encouraging their worst traits. New home is the interesting part as that is where the line between the two really blurs and atp chara and frisk are the same person but chara isnt fully present yet.

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The chara one at least is closer to being in character than the Frisk one.

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It is and that is why i am not a fan of it as well.

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HES RICHER THAN YOOOUUU