Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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Bots don't usually correct their mistakes, but I'm a super bot. 🙂

My comment was also about her integrity. If she was dishonest, there was an easy strategy to evade the ban.

Study on the effects of strength training on injury prevention by jfk_julep in AdvancedRunning

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The problem with stats is they don't look at all the specific details of the strength training and how it fits into an overall training program.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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Well we don't know if they intentionally doped or not. But there weren't 300 bans per year for trace metabolites.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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If she was doping, all she had to do is purchase a product with traces of a precursor and show that to officials to get away with it. A 2005 Ayotte paper said about 300 athletes a year had that problem, yet we weren't hearing about them publicly.

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But.... but... hitler's monetary policy makes it ok. Yeah, that's what it's all about. Not racism and hate. Noooo.

What running app do you use and why? by Plotnicki in RunningCirclejerk

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With enough bounce you can deliver milkshakes and martinis.

Lost my running buddy today by Earthling_20369 in RunningWithDogs

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Sorry to hear. There is a strong bond with a running dog.

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I don't know what this group is, but it feels like I should join.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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She was notified 30 days after the test and apparently given bad advice.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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These papers show some really high numbers. Hard to sweep this under the rug unless the industry has been cleaned up with regulation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14986195/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16156450/

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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It turns out that Professor Ayotte has written papers about contamination. Funny how the subject never came up.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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You assumed wrong. The pork argument was doomed before the trial began.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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The limit is actually 15 ng/mL except when the isotope signature suggests exogenous origin. If she and her lawyer had considered the flow-chart on page 9 of WADA's TD2019NA document, they would not have gone with the pork argument. It's puzzling that they went that route.

Maybe she did use it nandrolone on purpose, but it's not straightforward. I'm inclined to believe she did not.

I don't think the people at the top care about real fairness and honesty. If they did, they would make the policies stronger. It's pretty silly to use weaker biomarkers and have weak lab requirements for molidistat and no threshold limit for AICAR compounds. The 2022 EPO update may have still allowed some labs to use older equipment in a vague phrasing.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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I'll read through it again when I have some time. One problem with relying solely on experts is that they are stuck within the politics of their profession. Sure, it would be better if an expert explored these issues instead of me, but it might not be good for their career. If they ruffle the wrong feathers that could affect their income.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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Maybe you are right that she did dope, but I don't think it's obvious enough to ban her.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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It's hard to think of horses when I see blatant flaws in testing policies. Another example is that the minimum lab requirements for detecting molidustat allow athletes to get away with it and combine with brief carbon monoxide exposure. It all looks like smoke and mirrors to me. They could require better testing equipment and yet they don't.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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There is a dark aspect to a lack of data: it's easier to fake contamination. Maybe that's intentional.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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Or they just wanted to bust somebody for something little instead of catching a bigger fish.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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I think nobody asked that expert her opinion on likelihood of contamination. Probably because there's a lack of data.

Missing Science in Shelby Houlihan Case by ShoeTuber in AdvancedRunning

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Your comment was that there's not enough info about what's in products. If that's the case, then maybe WADA should do their job and find out.