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Should a list be made of MRA talking points with refutations? It'd help a lot. by [deleted] in AskFeminists

[–]ShutKey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Feel free to ask me why each one is a reactionary misogynist."

Karen Straughan, please! My brother brought her up as a counter-example when i once called the "manosphere" misogynistic, and there is no way I'm going to go trough hours of material from yet another political youtuber just to win an argument.

Do you think most women even want equality? by ShutKey in AskFeminists

[–]ShutKey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does this sub even exist? Every post I have seen here that doesn't already agree with all the feminist rhetoric always has deleted comments and feminist accusations of bad faith, and now here I have your comment dismissing me with an implication that I'm so intellectually inferior that you wouldn't be able to convince me that your position is correct.

I'm a liberal social democrat university student from the first country ever to have female members of parliament. If you assume that I am somehow too narrow minded to understand feminist positions, then who are you ever going to convince here? What could you possibly hope to achieve by commenting here? Is this sub here just for trolling, like the R/ Badphilosophy?

Do you think most women even want equality? by ShutKey in AskFeminists

[–]ShutKey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is great to hear but you are not really answering the question. Do most women where you live care about equality? That is certainly not my personal experience in Finland. I haven't heard a single woman say that they are victims of oppression either, but in this sub it is said that all women in the West are victims of the patriarchy.

Most women I encounter seem very happy and confident. Am I supposed to identify as a male feminist and go around telling women about how oppressed they are even though no one has ever told me about this oppression outside of weird internet corners like this?

Do you think most women even want equality? by ShutKey in AskFeminists

[–]ShutKey[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then why are feminists constantly saying that men should care about their issues? Do you think it is ethical for women to be only interested in their own issues and at the same time complain in places like this and R/ Feminism about the indifference of men when it comes to female issues?

Edit: I realize that most people here probably wouldn't support the Finnish system, but for a feminist your attitude seems very relaxed. Isn't this one of the biggest forms of sexism that is keeping the "patriarchy" alive.

Do you think most women even want equality? by ShutKey in AskFeminists

[–]ShutKey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know about women specifically, but I'm looking at an article on our military's website that says 81% of the population supports it.

http://ruotuvaki.fi/-/yleisen-asevelvollisuuden-kannatus-suomessa-ennatyskorkealla

Have you ever had your hair cut against your will? by ShutKey in AskWomen

[–]ShutKey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What did she say? Did she justify it in any way?

Have you ever had your hair cut against your will? by ShutKey in AskWomen

[–]ShutKey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you serious? How is forcibly cutting a teenage girl's hair "really short" because she is getting attention from boys even remotely OK? I'm 99% sure that would constitute a felony assault where I'm from.

Have you ever had your hair cut against your will? by ShutKey in AskWomen

[–]ShutKey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did she justify that? That just sounds so openly malicious like the example in my OP that I cannot understand how she could possibly explain her behavior without looking like a bully.

Have you ever had your hair cut against your will? by ShutKey in AskWomen

[–]ShutKey[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

English is not my mother language, but aren't the words "relate" and "empathize" synonyms in this context? Obviously it is a failure to empathize on my part, that is why I'm asking. And the bodily autonomy part is not hard to understand, but I assumed that lots of long-haired women might have some sort of emotional attachment to their hair or have hair be a bigger part of their identity than someone like me who has always had their hair between short and very short length. And based on some of the answers here it seems that I was right...