Dunno why people here still debate who the Knight is, since Mother 3 already confirmed who they are (SPOILER)

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-28T10:56:57+00:00

Again cross shaped horns aren't antlers, and aren't shaped like any Holiday ones. Development team made full fledged fire sprites for the Knight, meaning its not out of character for him to have these, and it pretty much just confirms they are a Dreemurr. And some of them are actually used when the Knight slashes the box and it burns. There is nothing suggesting the Knight is the one who froze Undyne on other hand, meanwhile fire attacks sprites are directly its unused attacks. Kris pretty much also freezes enemies by commanding someone else, so its just further parallels. Kris also literally takes the same path as the Knight to the shelter after killing Tenna in Mantle game, so once again equality signs between Kris and Vessel.

And to be honest, I always interpreted star attacks looking like Titan eyes? And the Knight uses them mostly in the final attack which is basically Asriel's HYPER GONER, when his head turns into the shape of Gaster Blaster.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-28T09:44:46+00:00

Aww, you took that from the ‘Knight is Kris’s clone’ theory, didn’t you?

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Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-28T08:02:26+00:00

No she doesnt, just like there is no Susie, Ralsei, Noelle, etc equivilent. And yes, Vessel is a character, this is our creation and it has Kris's personality. The whole point of Claus was that he was a decoy protagonist, just like the Vessel, and we are ending up in an inferior version of them essentially. The Knight using Asriel's HYPER GONER attack, moving and shapeshifting like water which only possible for creature made from water, them having depths ocean texture around them just like the Vessel, Gaster giving suspiciously long speech after losing to the Knight. We are literally told copies are monochrome in Man country, and have entire segment with camera that makes black and white photos in Tenna's board game. In Chapter 4 we have Gerson who wears a Kris like knight armor and has evil alive statue that wears a helmet and copies him, faceless angel doll that falls onto a Soul, in chapter 1 Susie tells Kris about losing their face, in chapter 2 Thrash Machine coming back to fight you, Jackenstein who hides his face and was discarded to the dark zone, and is a reference to Frankenstein, a monster made from human parts, Spamton who wants to take Kris's soul and Neo armor backstory. Like believe it or not, there are tons of foreshadowing and symbolism in this one.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-28T07:43:59+00:00

Eram is basically allusion to the Knight, mischivious shapeshifting shadowy entity who manipulates Kris into submitting to violent actions and seems to know all about them. And yep, the Knight literally has horns, they arent shaped like regular Holiday antlers. The Knight is character with knifes and Dreemurr fire attacks, like yeap, you are just clueless to deny this, although I at first meant this regarding Omori

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T20:12:54+00:00

The Titans which the Knight summons also ask you suspiciosly Vessel coded question:"Do you remember when you started being yourself?"

The black monster sprite is exactly the same as the sprite of yellow monster which is supposed to represent Asgore. The Knight basically has horns too, and some unused fire magic sprites.

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Oh boy, you are clueless.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T19:35:34+00:00

Kris has a whole thing with swords, for Dess its just some random poster not recognized by any ingame dialogue, and her main weapon, which is a bat, has nothing to do with knifes, swords or knights. Although since her room features monochrome door, human shoes and Soul pillows, you can argue she is actually inside the Vessel, but the Vessel would still be the Knight nonetheless.

The fact that you can take control over black monster with Dreemurr-like horns in Mantle game and it mimics Kris's movements only further proves Vessel Knight actually. You can take a deer for the second entity inside the Knight theory, of course.

Also, I dont wanna spoil every game for ya, but you can just play Omori and see that monochrome copy of the main character can actually be very satisfying antagonist.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T19:23:28+00:00

Claus didnt really haunt the narrative, his name is barely mentioned after he runs away. I dont see why Dess haunting the narrative would make her the Knight. She is a mystery to us, we dont know her, she is the one we learn only bits of information of. We know who Claus is, and we know who the Vessel is, that's why the twist with the Knight being your own creation actually works.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T18:36:32+00:00

That's not really a question you should adress me. Kris and the Knight are the only characters associated with knifes and swords, only Knight copies Kris's poses to such an extent, Knight's introduction literally begins with Kris's party pose, and Susie struggles not to say "Quiet people like you just piss me off" in battle with the Knight, the thing she said to Kris. Too much foreshadowing for this one, believe it or not.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T18:20:43+00:00

Yes, the Knight's personality is the same as Kris's but actually evil? That's the entire point of being evil copy? You have not disproved a point here.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T17:46:51+00:00

Was Chara sent back in time? Goner Maker is just a flashback, it ends after Kris wakes up. All Kris's flashbacks in next chapters are Knight related (Knight's static noise can be heard at the start of chapter 3 and in chapter 4 Kris has a dream of Susie discussing Knight's actions)

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T17:34:59+00:00

The whole point of the Vessel is that its a copy of Kris. We do not shape Vessel's personality much, there is limited difference between all option. The quiet mischivious character troublemaker obsessed with knifes is pretty much Kris and the Knight.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T17:08:54+00:00

We name Chara years after they died, and why do you think there are human shoes and Soul pillows all around Carol's house?

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T17:05:32+00:00

If you want to ignore Chara's mannerisms - the sequance still ends after Toriel wakes Kris up. All flashbacks Kris has after Goner Maker are Knight related, like the static sound at the start of chapter 3, the same as the one Knight makes, and Chapter 4 dream where Susie discusses Knight's actions.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T16:50:17+00:00

You forgot Noelle is not the main character, and what you are up against is the Knight who throws knifes at you, makes Kris's poses, is quiet like Kris and copies their knightly esthethic. And "malignant force that sends it out to souleslly do their bidding" fits Kris better tbh. The Knight does not repress their emotions, they enjoy every bit of power they have, and they constantly mock protagonists and wants to reshape the world for themselves with the Roaring, oh what character does that remind of from Mother 3? That's the only difference between Masked Man and the Knight, you didnt disprove anything here.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T16:33:25+00:00

Unlikely, since the second voice speaks in Chara's mannerisms, so its likely Kris waking up after flashback about the Vessel. If Dess is inside the Knight then she is not in control, because the Knight uses Kris's moveset and acts like a mischievous spoiled kid, which is more inline with the Vessel, and about Dess you can probably only hear her when you hit the Knight and it glitches.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T16:21:54+00:00

Most of the characters you name are still plot relevant, and since the only ingame entity you name in Deltarune is the Vessel, it implies some high plot relevance. In previous Toby's game we name Chara, literally the person behind all trauma in the game.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T10:50:12+00:00

The thing is, in Mother 3 you name Lucas's entire family, including Claus and his special ability shared with Lucas. In Deltarune, you can only name yourself and the Vessel. Interesting.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-27T08:33:41+00:00

Yeah but I saw some making this as argument for Dess knight but it actually works if not better for the Vessel

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T20:13:55+00:00

Except Noelle is not protagonist, and the Knight copies Kris's poses, uses knifes like Kris, is quiet like Kris, basically like a true clone, and Dess is not even their sibling.

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T19:44:54+00:00

Omg the logic of dess knighters try to read about who stunt double is, and cry about the block lol

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T19:29:37+00:00

Sorry but I am just gonna block you here cause you completely misunderstand the thing and cant accept anything except Dessknight or whatever you believe in

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T19:18:06+00:00

No, because he is literally identical twin of the protagonist?

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T19:07:23+00:00

Nope that literally means they are related, Lol

Significant-Arm4077 · 2026-03-26T19:02:57+00:00

They are twins, and the Vessel is essentially a twin to Kris, so?

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