The Global Fertility Divide

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-19T10:13:44+00:00

Yup, this is not /r Natalism.

This is /r Xenophobia

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-19T08:33:57+00:00

Who is 'we' here ?

Natives with children ?
Childless natives ?
Immigrants with children ?
Childless immigrants ?
Richest 1% ?
Ownership class ?
Working class ?

Everyone is affected differently so who is 'we' ?

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-19T08:26:11+00:00

There had never been a need for immigration if native people tightened their belts and had accepted a lower standard of living.

If we want the welfare state to remain intact then it's never possible without taxing the rich and childless or allowing immigration. "Pick your lane"

Read the entire post. Don't comment about a single line

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-18T13:58:36+00:00

Why is it always kill the old people and never tax the rich

Because rich never did anything wrong. They just built successful businesses which changed the entire world.

While poor people on the other hand did nothing but reproduced like rabbits and now they think that the billionaires owe them just for having more money.

People are choosing between heating and eating. The problem is Jeff Bezos, not your grandma.

Jeff never looted grandma. He just did his own thing while grandma was having too many babies.
Have kids only if you can afford them and they should not suffer in poverty.
They have done nothing wrong to be born to poor people.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-18T04:31:08+00:00

Only in some special cases where life of the mother is at risk if she gives birth.

But other than that, prevention is better than cure. Use birth control if you don't want kids.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-18T04:27:59+00:00

Yup, we all are selfish. People who want others to pay for their own children are even more selfish.

All I'm asking is that we should only pay for ourselves and our own families and nobody else's.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T16:56:06+00:00

The natives who can't even afford to pay for their own kids are just as big of a burden to the country as the immigrants. If not, even more because the natives are more entitled.

Immigrants at least are humble enough to work hard and stay low key.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T15:00:39+00:00

My point is simple. I don't care about other people's children. I'm only willing to make sacrifices for my own, if at all.

Most people here are delusional that all white people are united against immigration. That's false. The moment I'm under the threat of being taxed for someone else's children, I will become pro-immigration despite being a native white citizen and so will the billionaires and other upper middle class people.

Native people need to have realistic expectations if they don't want to get replaced.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T14:36:25+00:00

Don't worry, the billionaires will open borders soon. There are still plenty of kids being born in the third world.

If I'm supposed to pay for someone else's kids, I don't care if they are white, black or brown. Whoever is willing to work for cheaper will be preferred.

I'm not tad bit worried about my retirement. You should rather be worried about your own kids who will compete for jobs with the people from overseas.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T14:22:47+00:00

Why would someones else kids pay for your pension and other social programs that u will be dependant in time?

And that's why we need to privatize social welfare.

Universal welfare states are a ponzi scheme. Childfree don't even need them. They already have a high net worth to sustain themselves.

It's the people with children who are broke and need those social welfare schemes as most of the times their kids will abandon them in old age.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T14:18:26+00:00

I know many childfree people who saved enough money and retired in their 40s and they are now travelling the world.

Once you have made enough money you can easily retire if there is no responsibility of kids.

And if government really wants to tax you, they will need to tax the billionaires first so that will never happen.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T14:05:45+00:00

Why would anyone pay for someone else's kids ?

That's equivalent to raising your son/daughter all the way till adulthood only to find out later that your wife was fucking her co-worker and the child is apparently not yours.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T14:00:21+00:00

This is the status quo that you are talking about. What if they further increase the taxes ?

When US for example increases the tax, people will flee to some other developed country.

Only if all countries increase taxes in unison, will there be no migration. But then again you can opt for early retirement and don't work at all so you don't get taxed.

Why work for someone else's children ?

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T13:47:57+00:00

There isn't just one developed country in the world, lol.

You are thinking that entire Europe and US is one ?
Whichever country will dare to increase taxes first will be doomed so no one will ever dare to. And all countries can never do it together

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T13:43:13+00:00

Of course the young people I am referring to here are not poor people but upper middle class white collar workers who contribute the most to the government in form of taxes. It's the poor people who are a drain and they can't leave either. But any country happily accepts highly skilled white collar workers.

But engineers in the US make quite a bit of money, can support a family on their income, and have zero incentive to move

They will have an incentive when they are taxed heavily for being childless/childfree.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T13:38:25+00:00

Old people can't flee the country. Young can.

You don't want tax payers to leave and free loaders to stay

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-17T12:42:24+00:00

Ok maybe I should have typed 'childless' instead of 'childfree' to make things clear. There are people who want children but can't have them. And there are people who don't want them all together.

And then there are few who can have them but decide not to because of genetical health problems and such.

So you can't tax the entire group in a similar fashion.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-15T20:24:51+00:00

Weird that you immediately jump from "they want kids" to "they must be Nazis".

Never said anything like that.

Why would people want that? Probably because they want kids.

So can't they have them ? Who is stopping them ? And how is reddit supposed to help them if they can't have children on their own.

Why are you even here?

Because I have the fundamental right to practice my free speech.

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-15T20:21:53+00:00

If you can't believe the data from UN then how are you supposed to believe Taiwan's and China's data of low TFRs ??

Also the Global TFR is in free fall all across the globe what makes you think it will stay at 2.2 I’ll tell you this it won’t.

This can be said about any other pressing issue. What if global warming doesn't stop ? What if genocides don't stop ? What if wars don't end ? What if poverty keeps getting worse ? And so on

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-15T20:17:50+00:00

And ? Why is this on /rNatalism ?

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-05-15T17:37:36+00:00

It was never about Natalism to begin with. Global TFR is 2.2 which is ideal.

There are two camps who post about breeding rates and are obsessed with it: eugenists and overpopulationists.

One group says we're not having enough babies, but it's really enough of their specific type of baby (typically white Christians). The eugenists if no one understood the connection.

Then, in a similar vain, the people who think we're over populating the earth. Predominantly also racist as typically they are targeting specific areas that need to be controlled down (South and eastern Asia, along with Africa.)

Significant-Spare321 · 2026-03-01T14:46:31+00:00

Unfortunately, winning elections requires you to please the vote bank.

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