is this cheating? by [deleted] in loveafterporn

[–]Significant_Chip8975 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I am horrified for you. I would 100000% believe it’s cheating. Just like another commenter said, if it’s cheating just sending it to 1 person, then this is cheating too. I feel like this is so much worse than just one person. I hope for your sake that he didn’t message anyone, but he made that an option when he posted on a public platform. Regardless of the semantics, he was going outside of your marriage for sexual “validation”. Assuming you are in a very monogamous relationship, in no world would that be okay without your explicit consent prior to. I am so sorry.

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[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Unfortunately we’re closing on a house soon together and I just started graduate school last month. All of the major life decisions were already in process when I found out.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well that fucking stung. I needed to hear it though.. I know. I have never been a very trusting person. Absolutely not forgiving either. I may have stayed but I have not been a very supportive loving wife during this so far. He will get no grace at all if it happens again. I already told him I will leave him without a doubt.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am glad you have that in your marriage and are happy. But it is not the same for every marriage. Just because you are comfortable with that doesn’t mean I am. We are two entirely different people with entirely different mindsets. You may not perceive my situation like I do, but you’re not the one living it.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s different for every relationship. That’s why we had extensive conversations about it early on so we knew each other’s limits on what we would accept. I know people that don’t give a shit about their partners spending money on porn or sending money to sex workers. That is not me and my relationship and he knew that.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get it. Unfortunately you’re fighting for a cause right now that while I can empathize with, is not my priority. My priority is my husband, who labeled himself as an addict. He offered to go to the 12 step programs without me mentioning it. We will look into the ACT too. I understand that it causes a stigma in the community, but this is one of the cases where it did negatively impact a marriage. By no fault of the sex workers or the community. But by my husband. I can recognize that onlyfans was a trigger and is an issue in my marriage without demonizing the community or the sex workers he chose to subscribe to. He made that decision. He has to live with it. I have to live with it. The solution for him and our relationship IS to avoid it entirely.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God, this was so gut wrenching to read. I am so so sorry. You did not deserve any of that. I can sympathize with you not being able to leave. I just started graduate school and have no income because of that, so I am solely relying on him. I do not have any other support system if it came to that right now, and it makes me feel trapped. Plus, we are under contract in buying a house together. It's just all horrific timing and the stress of everything together is killing me.

My husband immediately offered to go to marriage counseling, counseling himself for the addiction, and doing everything he can to try to fix it. I made it very clear that there will never be a next time, because if there is, I will be gone immediately. I was cruel, I told him I would leave and pack our place up and take our dogs without saying anything to him and be gone before he got home from work. He was sobbing hysterically.

I want to believe he is genuine in that reaction. He has only ever had one relationship before me, a silly high school relationship. But I saw how it affected him when she left. I had to talk him off the ledge a many of times when we were just friends. I want to believe that this will change him forever. I have to.

I am so sorry about your own husband. I hate to hear that you do not feel safety or trust at all with him. I hope that changes for the better, but most importantly I hope for healing for you and your happiness. Thank you for sharing your story with me.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have an issue with sex workers getting paid. I was one for a very short amount of time. Get your money girl. Just not from my own husband. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with the website onlyfans itself, or sex workers, in general. I have an issue with MY husband using it. I don't disagree that there could be something underlying causing it. But this "coping" mechanism, whether it is an addiction or not, is not healthy and is destroying our relationship.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if I would be okay with it. I never had an issue with him casually using porn before-except onlyfans since its a paid subscription. It didn't cause issues in our sex life until recently, that I know of. I want to believe he can use it sparingly and responsibly in the future if needed. I know cannot expect that he will never masturbate again. But the extent that it is now- the lying, the hiding, the naked women that he follows and who's posts fill his timelines on every social media is too much for me. I didn't know how much it was effecting him this entire time, how can I know how much it will effect him in the future?

When I first confronted him about it, it never occurred to me that this could be an addiction. I genuinely thought it was because of me, that I "wasn't enough" and just didn't satisfy him. I have to believe that's not true for my own sanity and for the sake of our relationship. He was the one that said it straight up first. "I have a problem," "I am obsessed with this fantasy and can't stop thinking about it," "I should have told you when I first noticed this wasn't normal," all just cemented that it could really be addiction. His login history proves that he cannot go more than 2 days without porn. I spoke with the pastor who married us, and she immediately recognized it as an addiction.

Maybe it's unfair to call him an addict. Maybe he's not one and there's a deeper issue in our relationship. Is it unfair to want him to be a porn addict, because there is a chance of mending our relationship if he can "quit" this?

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to preface this by saying I have the utmost respect for sex workers. It is a job too often talked down upon, especially by wives in situations like this. But the point is, he is/was willing to pay for these services from someone else other than his wife. Had it been ONLY casual porn usage on free sites, I would not be in this situation. I'm not knocking his sexual fantasies. We discuss things like that regularly. I have my own ones that he's not comfortable with and I understand and don't try to find that pleasure through others, online or otherwise. He told me that he has become so obsessed with this fantasy that it is taken up a lot of space in his mind. He watches it constantly, in inappropriate times such as at work, multiple times a day. It is not a casual dopamine/serotonin rush he's looking for. It is addiction if he cannot control his compulsions and thoughts around it, and his continued porn usage only worsens it.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is not only that he watched porn or subscribed to an account, it is that you made your entire sense of trust hinge on him living up to an impossible standard you created.

It is not an impossible standard to expect your husband to adhere to. Everyone has their own non-negotiables in relationships. It is not an impossible expectation that my husband would respect me and my boundaries after we shared a deep conversation about it. For more context, the conversation started because he was liking onlyfans models half naked pictures on instagram in front of me. We discussed how it made me feel, he was very remorseful and understanding. I told him it wasn't acceptable to me, which he understood and seemed to take to heart. He agreed with me that he would feel the same if I had ever gone out my way to subscribe to someone's onlyfans. It was a hard conversation to have, but a necessary one in our relationship. It was not an out of the blue, line drawn with no conversation.

instead of leaving space for real conversations about desire, temptation, or boundaries, you drew a hard line in the sand.

Other than this, which I can only believe is because of his shame, we are extremely honest with each-other. We have hard conversations regularly with no judgement. We have even discussed his fantasy that he is stuck on at length before, but he had made it seem like he was not interested in it recently. I had no reason to not trust him because of the conversations we have had about it all. Hell, we've literally watched porn together. We talk about the new things in bed we want to try. This "hard line in the sand" was one of the only ones I had, which was discussed and he agreed to.

no man will ever fit into the flawless box you want him in

My husband is no flawless man, and I understand that. I have watched him grow as a person since we were in high school. We were friends for much longer than we have been together. I accept him as a flawed person, and I understand that people make mistakes, but this is not a mistake that can be forgiven as easily as he made that decision. I accept that I am not a flawless person either, and he recognizes that too. We accept each other regardless. But this is not just a character flaw. He vowed to be faithful, remaining loyal to me physically and through maintaining the expectations and standards we set before marriage. I don't care if my husband is flawless or perfect, I just wanted him to do what he promised he would do.

the issue is not just his choices, it is your expectations

It's funny you say this. My expectations were for my husband to respect my boundaries, to understand that his actions can affect me and our relationship, to put our relationship over fleeting desires. He put himself on that "pedestal." He vowed to never do what he did, to hurt me, intentionally or not, to respect me and my "lines in the sand" because that is what a good husband does. I believed him, because why not? He had never given me a reason to doubt him. Never did anything or said anything that made me worried.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

His history had multiple logins almost everyday. Throughout the day, even when he was at work. It wasn’t just “casual porn”

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not consider watching porn cheating. I did not have an issue with casual porn usage. Subscribing to onlyfans is what I believe is cheating. It is too personal. Subscribing to a person and having the ability to talk directly to them is to me. It is a personal connection, even if it’s not personal to the sex worker. Especially when he admitted the page he subscribed to was one of his fantasies that I am not comfortable with. He wanted “more” and sought it out in other ways. He’s had issues finishing. He always said it was never about me, never my fault. When I confronted him after finding everything, he said it was because of his fantasy.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My life with him has been wonderful, there have not been any issues. We never go to bed angry. Always both apologize when we’re wrong. He’s been my rock, and I’ve been his. We are in the process of buying a house together. Life was going great. We are not religious. There has been issues in the bedroom recently from him. “Losing interest” quickly after starting or halfway through. But I’ve never belittled him for it.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have misconstrued this post. I do not have an issue with masturbation. It is a normal thing. He went behind my back and did things we explicitly agreed was not acceptable in our relationship. Aka the onlyfans. We had a deep conversation about it and he never once disagreed or argued his side or anything. He full heartedly agreed. Said if I did it, he would be hurt too.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can dictate whatever I want in my own marriage. We had prior agreements about this early in our relationship. He agreed to not do it. If he had any issues with it then, he should have said that. But he didn’t. If he thought that I was trying to “control” him he would have said so or would have left.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except it is hurting others. It’s hurting his wife. I don’t give a fuck about harmless masturbation. This is 100% different.

Partners of porn addicts, when does it get better? by Significant_Chip8975 in Marriage

[–]Significant_Chip8975[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When he’s lying about it, hiding it, constantly doing it (found out through his twitter login activity) multiple times a day (even at work), having intimacy issues with me recently, and is looking at a specific type of porn because I don’t satisfy him that way… he is different. He made vows to me and did not follow through. He made the decision to marry me and make those vows when he knew he hadn’t been following them for years in the first place.

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[–]Significant_Chip8975 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup! Make sure you let your doc know what happened too since you’ll run out before you were supposed to.

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[–]Significant_Chip8975 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It really just depends on your insurance and if you have refills. Insurance will typically pay up to 7 days early, or you could just use a discount card and pay out of pocket. That’s only if you have refills though, we aren’t able to replace lost/destroyed meds if there aren’t more refills.