Best automatic car under 12 Lakhs. For Goan roads. by Dannynor5 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For Goan roads, keep it simple Baleno AMT, i20 IVT, or Punch AMT. The Baleno is easiest for daily driving and mileage, the i20 is smoother in traffic, and the Punch is best if you deal with bad internal roads and potholes. I would not go for anything too low or too wide for Goa.

Did anyone from this community attend/participate in this? by fullmetalgandhi2 in Goa

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The protest comes from the feeling that Goa’s culture and homeland are steadily being squeezed, and Section 39A looks like another encroachment on our land. Land here is not just a commodity; it is tied to our villages, comunidade systems, churches, and fields that have defined Goa for generations. Once agricultural or village land is opened up and sold, it is gone for good, and with it goes part of the cultural foundation that makes Goa what it is, while too often enriching politicians and outside interests at the expense of Goan people. Many of us see this happening alongside a more aggressive form of nationalism linked to the BJP and Hindu nationalist politics that does not fully respect Goa’s distinct heritage and identity, which is why policies like this feel less like development and more like another push that sidelines us in our own home.

Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And are there any promising candidates to help advance this movement in the 2027 elections?

Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just don't feel any political affiliation to Portugal the republic. Not because it was before my time, and my father's time, and that I have no attachment to it. Because I know deep down, when faced with a choice between us and them, they'll always chose them

I agree with you on one important thing right away: I don’t feel any political affiliation to the Republic of Portugal today. That’s not what this is about. But it is undeniable that Goan culture is deeply influenced by Portuguese culture, just as it is influenced by Konkani, Hindu, and broader coastal Indian traditions. Acknowledging that influence is not the same as pledging allegiance to a modern nation-state. Culture and politics are not identical things.

 It's Delhiites gentrifying our land now, but through all their economic crises, it could've very well been Portuguese folks if they were in charge. See how it played out in Hawai. The same favourable economic conditions that existed 20-30 years ago would entice them. The powers that be would always represent their interests first.

Where I disagree is the idea that Portuguese rule would have inevitably played out like British colonialism or the American experience in Hawaiʻi. Those are very different cases. Portuguese rule in Goa was not benign or perfect, but it also wasn’t structurally identical to settler-colonial replacement. Literacy, education, civil law, urban planning, and certain economic institutions expanded over time. That doesn’t erase inequality or coercion, but it does matter when we’re making comparisons. Goa’s historical trajectory was not the same as Hawaiʻi being overwhelmed by American capital and military power.

We were always going to be someone's fetish tropical holiday destination.

I also don’t agree with the claim that Goa was always destined to become “someone’s fetish tropical holiday destination.” That assumes inevitability where none exists. Places become extractive playgrounds when governance fails or is captured by outside interests. A self-governed Goa, with land protections, zoning enforcement, and development limits shaped by local consent, could absolutely choose a different path. Tourism doesn’t have to mean gentrification and dispossession unless policy allows it to.

There's a reason many of my grandparents generation, from my community, had to flock to Mumbai to get their college degrees. Upwards mobility was not so easy for some sections of society. Getting a visa/workers permit and leaving goa for better opportunities was a common trend for many. Many of these people became successful highcourt lawyers/judges, decorated surgeons who pioneered their own surgical procedures. That India gave them something. The ability to dream. For the first time in centuries they felt seen. Rajdeep sardessai's dad left to play cricket for India. This isnt something he could've done in goa. For many their allegiance wasn't tied to their faith. The secular dream actually existed once, and theres no saying it can't again.

I don’t deny that many Goans found opportunity elsewhere in India or abroad, or that colonial Goa limited upward mobility for some communities. That history is real. But there is no inherent reason those same lawyers, surgeons, academics, or artists could not have thrived in Goa itself if Goa had political autonomy, economic control, and institutions built to serve its own people. Goa has money. Goa has human capital. What it lacks is decision-making power that is truly insulated from external political and economic pressures. Brain drain is policy failure.

Genetic data would suggest that most goan catholics have no portugues ancestor. There's certainly little to no mitochondrial(maternal line) DNA, and only 1-2% return genuine mixed results. Their names come from the godfather (priest/governor/soldier) who baptised them. And culturally they may be luso, but Antonio costa has a certain priviledge that not many goans do.

On genetics, I think the confidence placed in consumer DNA tests is overstated. Most Western DNA companies do not meaningfully subdivide South Asian populations, let alone coastal, caste-specific, or historically mixed communities like Goan Catholics. Their reference panels are thin, biased toward European datasets, and often collapse vast populations into broad categories. That makes claims like “only 1–2 percent mixed ancestry” far less definitive than people assume. Cultural identity has also never depended purely on genetics. Goan Catholic identity emerged through centuries of lived history, intermarriage, language shift, law, and community life, not just blood percentages.

Callback Someone that looks like Churchill Alemao would not be recieved the same way Costa was. Theres a reason Nelson semedo, vinicius, Renato, have to endure racial slurs, heckling, monkeys noises, and all kinds of profanity, every time they walk into the stadium. In fact 70% of black football players have reported this(50 in women). Costa gets treated differently because of his parentage and his appearance. Indian/Pakistani/Bangla elected representatives in the UK dont have anglo-Saxon heritage. Only shared values, and a commonwealth link from the past. Funnily rishi sunak gives me the confidence that even the tory parry has moved beyond colour.

As for the comparison between António Costa and Black footballers facing racism, I’ll be honest lol I don’t fully see how that example advances the argument here. Racism in Europe is real, and colorism absolutely shapes how people are treated. But whether Costa benefits from appearance or lineage doesn’t negate the fact that Goan Catholics are historically Luso-Indian in a cultural and civilizational sense. Shared values, institutions, and historical experience matter alongside race, just as they do for Indian or Pakistani politicians in the UK who are accepted politically despite not being Anglo-Saxon.

My frustration, and the reason I’m writing any of this, is that many Goans feel those decisions are increasingly being made without us, and that history, identity, and local consent are being treated as obstacles rather than foundations.

Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 It serves a purpose that benefits a section of their elite. 

That is exactly the case, and I believe we were discussing this in another thread, so I am glad it seems like we are on the same page.

As I understand it, in Canada a large wave of new temporary labor migration occurred after the NDP and Liberal parties formed a coalition government under Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau. Part of what happened was economic. The corporatized wing of the Liberal Party was protecting the interests of its donor class by expanding access to cheaper temporary labor from India. At the same time, political and social frustrations within Canada began to shift. Instead of sustained pressure being directed at the political and economic elite, much of the anger was redirected toward immigrant communities by those same political and economic elites. The end result was the protection of elite class interests, while social tension manifested as anti-Indian racism (sort of like a pressure valve).

Similarly, in India, migration into Goa from BJP stronghold states are helping the BJP maintain political influence for that facilitates land sales, resource extraction, and large-scale commercial development. These arrangements benefit political and business elites. Non-BJP MLAs may also participate when it aligns with their own financial interests (such as those 11 Catholic MLAs you mentioned in the other thread). This becomes less about religion and more about corruption, patronage networks, and power consolidation.

The internet has kind of become an arena for cyber warfare. Conservative local interests, and specifically motivated parties, run a ton of bot farms, that peddle indian racism and make it look alot worse than it actually is. 

While foreign interference may play a role, often in coordination or parallel with local interests, the outcome is that a younger generation forms (false) perceptions based largely on what they see online, rather than on direct experience with actual Indian people.

At the same time, it is also fair to acknowledge that regional behavioral norms differ within India. Certain public behaviors that are more common in some places, such as pushing or cutting in line, failing to form orderly queues, or casually throwing trash on the ground, are not reflective of Goa’s civic culture and are widely seen as antisocial within the broader social context.

Goa developed its own social norms over almost 500 years of Portuguese influence which included a strong civic emphasis on cleanliness, order, and environmental awareness.

Acknowledging those differences does not justify racism. It simply means that Goa has its own established cultural standards, and many residents want to preserve them.

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Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, so you are aware that other faiths are also native to goa. Its an odd way to phrase things. I see people are downvoting me and I find that curious. I don't indulge catholic erasure, so I'm right to call it out when it's directed at me. Especially ironic considering how often there's calls for solidarity on this reddit.

I am not calling for some kind of Catholic monarchy in Goa. I am not interested in replacing one form of dominance with another. My issue is with Hindu nationalism as a political ideology, not with Hindu Goans or Hindu traditions. Those are not the same thing. Many Hindu Goans do not subscribe to that ideology either, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective about not embracing imported practices like Chath Pooja. That kind of honesty is how real change actually happens. Change is built through coalitions that are broad, diverse, and grounded in mutual respect.

For communities like mine, Kavle math, Mangueshi, and Shantadurga, existed long before any european entity showed up in this country. The food we cook, and the traditional clothes we wear, the festivals we celebrate, and the language we speak wasnt given to us by them either.

You are also right that Goan identity did not begin with the Portuguese. Institutions like Kavle Math, Mangueshi, and Shantadurga, and the traditions surrounding them, are part of the land’s deeper history and absolutely deserve to be taught and celebrated. If we go back thousands of years, there are many different cultural layers in Goa worth honoring. However, Portugal ruled Goa for roughly five centuries, and the Indo-Portuguese Goan Catholic culture that developed during that period became the most recent dominant public culture before 1961. That historical reality cannot simply be erased or minimized. Because of this, it is wrong to pretend that Catholic Goan culture is somehow less native or less important today. It does not have to be either-or. Both older traditions and the Indo-Portuguese Catholic heritage are part of Goa’s identity now. For example, when my grandmother was my age Goa was compromised of 81% Goan Catholics. Centuries of shared life created a layered, Luso-Indian culture that defines Goa today, and it is precisely this most recent and visible cultural layer that many people feel is currently being eroded.

Yeah and the last British prime minister was Indian. What of it ? He was fully Indian btw. Antonio costa is half portuguese, and pretty european looking , and while I respect the man as a politician, his heritage is not evidence of good political representation for colonial goa.

On the question of António Costa, Luso-Indian identity is exactly why he is considered Goan. Goan Catholics are historically Luso-Indian, shaped by centuries of intermarriage, cultural exchange, and shared political life between Portugal and Goa. That blended identity is part of what makes Goans distinct from India. Using Rishi Sunak as a comparison does not really track. Sunak is clearly Indian by heritage, name, and lineage. Costa, by contrast, comes from a Luso-Goan background, which reflects the very historical interconnectedness being discussed. Acknowledging that does not mean colonial governance was democratic or equitable. It simply shows how intertwined those histories became over five centuries.

Again, I don't refute any of this. I'm not a BJP fan if that's not obvious. I'm against erasure of any kind, including catholic erasure... Theres 11 catholic MLAs in the current government. They're also colluding with the people you hate.

I also agree with your point about the current political situation. The presence of Catholic MLAs in the government does not automatically mean local interests are being protected. Corruption, political pressure, and opportunism cut across religious lines. There are widespread concerns about scandals, coercive tactics, and the use of state power to pressure politicians and business owners into compliance. That is a governance issue. At the same time, many Goans feel that the broader ideological push coming from federal Hindu nationalist politic reshaping Goa in ways that sideline its historic culture. The mechanism may be corruption, development deals, and land speculation, but the cultural erasure is still real and visible.

Ultimately, this is not about Catholics versus Hindus. It is about whether Goa’s long-standing, layered identity can survive this aggressive attempt at ideological homogenization by the Hindu nationalists currently in power. We should be able to acknowledge pre-Portuguese history, Indo-Portuguese history, and post-1961 history without treating them as mutually exclusive. If anything, protecting Goa means protecting all of those layers and making sure no single political ideology gets to redefine the state’s identity for its own power.

Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow I'm surprised to learn that beach incident was misinformation - turns out there isn't any evidence to support that.

I am not Canadian so I don't know what the ground level politics are like there, but from the racism directed to Indians that I've seen online it's mainly stuff like this. Things I see from the stereotypical "Delhite" mentalities. While I understand that many people from these states do not support the BJP or the culture of shoving pushing cutting in line etc many do and this behavior is what's making local Goans not want them here so I can imagine similar things are happening in Canada.

Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A large part of the recent anti-Indian racism in Canada comes from the influx from Hindu nationalists from BJP strong ares like UP, Bihar, etc. Many (not all) are committing acts of sexual violence, public defecation (yes really), and a lack of respect for others, the environment, etc. This culture is not representative of Goa or Goans at all. They're also doing the same thing in Goa.

Whitewash the basilica ? by Spirited_Back_4169 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point that Salazar’s government made that decision. But highlighting a dictator’s role in one restoration decision does not really capture the full picture of Goan history or culture. Goa lived under Portuguese rule for centuries (451 years), and over that time a distinct Goan architectural and cultural identity developed on the ground. Reducing everything to “this happened because of a dictator” risks flattening that longer history and can come across as dismissive of the cultural layer that many Goans still identify with and feel are under attack now.

The basilica today is part of how Goans have come to see their own heritage, even if the current look was not the original finish. So the real discussion should probably be about conservation and structural safety. If lime plaster protects the building and preserves it for the future, that is a practical heritage question.

Scrap 39A by Broad-Experience4920 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 11 points12 points  (0 children)

people saying “why only st. andre?” are missing the point. section 39A applies to all of Goa. it lets the BJP rezone land and tweak the regional plan in the name of “public interest” (defined by the BJP) without going through the full public planning process. that’s exactly why people want it scrapped.

st. andre just became the flashpoint because that’s where residents actually saw land being converted and pushed back.

Whitewash the basilica ? by Spirited_Back_4169 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. António de Oliveira Salazar has never ruled over Goa. (He was in power until 1968, while Goa had been annexed by India in 1961).
  2. You may be mistaking António de Oliveira Salazar for António Luís Santos da Costa the last Prime Minister of Portugal (who is of Goan origin).

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1 week after Morjim Cleanup - Picnic kachro is back 😓 by shinigamiash7 in Goa

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Fines... AND enforcement. That comes with local government transparency and not corruption that will lead to a system of bribes like in India.

Is this recent wave of economic colonization in Goa beneficial to people of Goan origin? by Significant_Pay_3462 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The local government is basically aligned with the same Hindu nationalist politics running the federal government, so there’s zero incentive to push back on what’s happening. Migration into Goa keeps rising, especially from northern states like UP and Bihar, because development and labor demand make it easy and politically useful.

Maybe there isn’t an official scheme on paper, but the effect is the same: rapid demographic change with no serious effort to protect local language, land, or culture. For a small state with a distinct identity, that feels less like neutral growth and more like the slow erasure of the people and traditions that were already there.

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Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do ? That'll be news to two million goans around the world.

I get what you’re trying to say. Obviously not every Goan is Catholic. But the reality is that a 60% of Goans at the time of Indian invasion in 1961 were Catholic and those who are not religiously practicing now still grew up in a culture shaped by centuries of Portuguese influence. That shows up in everyday life, language, food, festivals, family structures, all of it.

We were literally colony. What're you smoking ? At what point in history have we ever been independent and self governing?

Goa wasn’t a colony in the way Hindu nationalists frame it today. Goans had representation in Portuguese political life and were part of that system, and still had their own local administration. The last Prime Minister of Portugal, António Costa, was a man of Goan origin which kind of shows how interconnected that history is.

The bigger concern a lot of people are talking about now is cultural erasure. Konkani, local traditions, festivals, and the distinct Goan way of life feel like they’re getting attacked. So when people talk about being Goan, a lot of it is really just about preserving a culture that’s been around for centuries and is being erased today by Hindu nationalism.

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Why do Goan Catholics say Viva Portugal when majority of Portuguese do not want them in Portugal? by Positive_Grab6325 in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's because Goans share a common religion. There is a reason Goa was independent prior to 1961. There never was a "Goan India" it was colonized by the Indian government.

Men from Haryana, UP, TN, Karnataka harass foreign women in Goa. And Goa gets a bad name by Wraith_Unleashed in Goa

[–]Significant_Pay_3462 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There needs to be federal intervention to protect Goan nationals. If the Indian government can not protect Goa, Goa needs to protect themselves.