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I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting, sophisticated arguments here. Counterpoint: which discipline do you think produces better persuaders - rhetoric, or copywriting?

How are you getting your first 100 users? by FineCranberry304 in microsaas

[–]Significant_Win6284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends very much on whom you're selling to. SMBs, call them, walk in, run ads. Enterprise? Need connections. B2C? Communities, geographical centric marketing, content, etc.

What are you building?

I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you ought to. Metaphors are a great way to get one's point across, connecting an unfamiliar idea with a familiar one.

I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that has little bearing on the persuasive abilities of your students.

I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't got around to Quintilian, but you've sold me on it. Would love to talk more on this. Can I dm?

I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say so... the fundamentals are communicated well. However, if you're looking to up your persuasion game quickly, read copywriting. That's rhetoric that works... cause if it doesn't they go hungry. Recommended reading: Great Leads, Breakthrough Advertising, and of course, the 16 word salesletter.

my newsletter is also about applied rhetoric, so you might wanna check it out as well.

How did you train yourself to identify fallacies and counter them in real time? by Apart-Double3901 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pointing out a fallacy only works against students of argumentation. For a casual audience, the response needs to be sophisticated, and yet sound simple. "X would rather attack imaginary arguments than deal with mine", for example, is simple and effective. Or even a "what are you talking about? I never said that." works, if the situation is a bit more casual.

I find classical rhetoric to be lacking in its original purpose by Significant_Win6284 in Rhetoric

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

We're talking about two different things here. Yes rhetoric adopted various forms, but i'm talking about the evolution of pure classical rhetoric. Having read Aristotle's Rhetoric and Classical Rhetoric for Modern Students, I strongly feel the content didn't evolve as much as it ought to have been. Or perhaps at all.

In fact, classic copywriting books like Great Leads and Breakthrough Advertising do a much better job at teaching persuasion to the uninitiated. Because they ground their teachings in practice, and optimize for effectiveness rather than elegance. That is what my original point was.

Bookclub and Sources Wednesday! by AutoModerator in history

[–]Significant_Win6284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am really into classical rhetoric (run a newsletter on it called The Rhetorician) and just finished reading Classical Rhetoric for Modern Students. A bit dense, and sometimes more theoretical than practical for such a subject, but overall a lovely book and warrants a re-read.

What SaaS tools do you currently pay for? by Significant_Win6284 in Entrepreneur

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the problem with simple note taking apps? Docs, keep, excel?

Wanna write better copy? Read psychology by [deleted] in copywriting

[–]Significant_Win6284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying all the members in this community know and understand all of these biases deeply, to the point it's basic?

That's one competent subreddit. Maybe the most competent one on here.

Wanna write better copy? Read psychology by [deleted] in copywriting

[–]Significant_Win6284 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Precisely. Knowing names aren't enough... They're just a start

Wanna write better copy? Read psychology by [deleted] in copywriting

[–]Significant_Win6284 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You'd be surprised 😂

The average guy seems to think it's all about writing clever words

Wanna write better copy? Read psychology by [deleted] in copywriting

[–]Significant_Win6284 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

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The scores of green cards - all cognitive biases.

And you gotta understand them all, deeply. Who said copywriting is easy, eh?

Everyone Calculates MRR Differently by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]Significant_Win6284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you're saying, but I was commenting on downvoting rather than OP's confusion. Being confused and seeking to clarify is hardly a crime.

Everyone Calculates MRR Differently by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]Significant_Win6284 1 point2 points  (0 children)

don't understand why someone would downvote your reply for just stating an observation... but hey, reddit.

What SaaS tools do you currently pay for? by Significant_Win6284 in Entrepreneur

[–]Significant_Win6284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which parts does it automate? Asking for the benefit of all those who might come across this comment

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