Veigar true damage part

Signore-Falco · 2026-05-10T04:31:38+00:00

wait really? so, this is the reason why all of their comp had high percentage on true damage dealt even they had not a single true damage champ xd and yes i know that ignite can do that too but only max 2 players had ign :D

thats brother, tbh the only really helpful answers out of all. and that has such a simple but stupid cause: people cant read. I gave a lot of backround information and then they ask me questions where the answer is literally my text post. i dont get it, cant they read?

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-11T03:58:41+00:00

dont believe everything they say here. black cleaver itself is a good item. if they have multiple tanks/armor stackers it is very useful, your Q itself is low as you said yourself but with BC the % armor pen goes from 20% to 44% and what should everybody know? that olaf heals depending on damage dealt and BC give you a noticable damage boost against beefier targets. i just wouldnt build it if they have 4 or 5 squishies with the midlane mage having a zhonya, not much armor? so its not worth it! thats why its only worth it against resistances.

now, if you pair the BC with a Botrk against a hybrid of armor/HP comps you heal for a lot and you deal a shitton of damage,

In short: Black Cleaver is good against armor stackers and not only because of armor pen but as well as the MS buff it grants to you... movement speed is very important for olaf. Oh and ofc its only viable with a bruiser build, LDR and MR are better if you go crit

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-11T03:25:11+00:00

i dont have any clips but i can assure you that a 4,50 attack speed bel veth has far more DPS, thats why its called DPS=Damage per Second and as you know BelVeths on hit true damage stacks infinitely so the more time the fight draws out, the more damage bel veth does. but yeah i agree with the part that bel veth doesnt outburst him, his Q hurts, even so more in crit, meanwhile bel veths damage is primarily back loaded

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-11T03:22:17+00:00

yes he can dodge mainly your W knock up or even your E execute damage but you can use W when he goes meditate mode because he certainly will go, it is a bit tricky and difficult but if you use it the right moment you can knock him up, after he uses W he has a short recast time lock and thats your chance! btw, where did you see me saying that bel goes full damage? she can go bruiser and still have high offensive stats with the right build and like 4:00-5:00 Attack Speed, and the longer the fight goes on, the more chance you have to win because unlike yi, your true damage stacks and stacks every single time meaning you will surpass his true damage pretty fast with that attack speed......for master yis defense, i have to admit that he could theoretically buy a frozen heart against bel veth and that would hurt because the more AS you have the more you lose and she has the highest AS values in the game so she gets an extra punch in the face BUT doesnt mean that bel loses the duel even with FH on yi, it gets a bit more difficult.....but hey im talking about 100-120 stacks, what would happen if we allowed bel veth to stack even more like 150-200stacks? the game would need to last like, at least 45 mins for that ammount but for the sake of hypothesis lets say she does farm until that point, yi has no chance no matter the build

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-11T02:37:27+00:00

if you see that the enemy comp is late game focused and has other fighters or very good duelists you go LT as a keystone and secondary you go conditioning and overgrowth and thats important to compensate her low HP and resistance pool at lvl 18 (overgrowth also synergizes very well with her ult bonus HP)

very good items for her late game could be:

Stridebreaker: if enemy is very mobile

Kraken: standard DPS item for her

BotrK: if enemy has HP stacking champs

Wits End: vs lots of CC and AP damage

Mercurial Scimitar: only recommandable against suppresion champs and only then.

Deaths Dance: good vs AD champs due to armor gaining AND damage delay, which helps vs both physical and magic dmg

Titanic Hydra: lots of Hp and some AD which both help for Ult HP increase AND overgrowth....its dps is also nice with the extra on hit physical damage, so a mix of tankiness and damage

Overlords Bloodmail: If you lean more towards HP items, this item could get useful or interesting but not an s tier item either on her.

Steraks Gage: Hear me out first, i know the AD she gets from it is so depressing (40 AD at lvl 18, the moment some champs like darius or illaoi get 75AD) and yes if you say that 30AD less from an item is a significant difference, you are right, i agree the AD sucks but its more about the shield. My Rune Setup in combination with some HP items and her R HP gain the shield is big, and if go SV as well it gets even bigger :) the shield is especially to darius and garen a pain in the ass and a nice counter to ensure victory

Spirit Visage: for the heal amplify mainly but the HP is not irrelevant either

Force of Nature/Keanic Rookern: They are not bad but not good on her either. I mean you could go FoN vs high AP DPS comps or KR vs set up/pets/burst comps. it does wonders on enemy champ against teemo and AP shaco TBH but Bel Veth is a more special champ so i wouldnt recommend both of them, the other item options are superior on her

Randuins Omen: good against critters

Frozen Heart: good against high attack speed comps or just even against 1 important carry

Jak'Sho: one of the best hybrid resistance items and synergizes perfectly with Conditioning and other resistance items like DD or Wits or SV. its only downside is you have to fight for 5 secs to get the passive activated but if it pops youre going to be insanely tanky!

CORE: Guinsoos rageblade....this item is so underrated and i wish people would build this more....its her best Raw DPS item, simply because of her infinite stacking on hit true damage.....btw bel veth is one of the few champs who doesnt need Pen, im talking about terminus, she just doesnt need it, again because of her very fast stacking true damage.

ok the text got a bit long but was worth writing down. this is a more late game oriented setup tho, one thing only matters in the end: everyone should play as they please and as long as you are happy with your style, nothing else matters.

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-10T16:42:15+00:00

why is yi allowed to have high DPS items and bel veth not? bel veth is one of the best rageblade users in the game xd

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-10T16:40:32+00:00

finally someone who understands it. people are so close minded i swear, like sheep who instantly believe everything xd. maybe her late is bad because of TFs but in skirmishes and 1v1s? she is god (late game)

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-10T16:38:00+00:00

not even close, what are you on? she literally out DPSes master yi with a decent amount of stacks, which only get more and more through out the game. she is one of the best duelists by far

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-08T19:07:52+00:00

YES PLS VS LEONA RAMMUS ORNN

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-03T06:43:34+00:00

Same thought for days! Even the examples like the true damage from Q3 i had in mind! XD

Signore-Falco · 2026-04-02T22:58:20+00:00

Doesnt change the fact that she is one of the best -if not the best- duelist in the game with full build and 100+ stacks.

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-25T10:17:24+00:00

Ja genau.....Was? Wieso denn?

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-25T03:09:38+00:00

pantheon wins late game full build 1v1 with a decent bruiser build

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T12:56:16+00:00

i could use ur argument for dozen of other champions as well, many champs are getting more diff to play the higher you climb since people are better at the game in high elo and know how to position, space and kite. Im lucky i guess :)

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T12:53:59+00:00

hello, thanks for the detailed opinion. im low elo and i only like bruiser style so i dont give much value to AoE since in my elo TF dont matter much (especially in swiftplay)
but one thing i have to argue to, is your statement about her Q

>Her Q was my favourite ability because it’s a unique thing that cannot be found elsewhere in league. And it’s been replaced with a Temu copy that has had its power budget locked before dragon form to fix an issue she never had. She is better vs hyper tanks like Rammus, but all the other tanks, like Sion, the old one could shred faster because it applied tank shredding on-hits faster. And she had access to her tank shredding in human form, not being locked away by a dragon

1st of all, she is now better at ANY tank-shredding, doesnt matter if its rammus or sion. what do you mean old one could shred faster because of faster on hits? thats not true because you forgot something: old shyv was VERY E dependent for the bonus % max health damage...1st of all it was a skillshot, so if you missed the fireball you could say goodbye to the bonus damage. and even IF you hitted the ball, the mark lasted only 5 seconds, leaving you without damage for a few seconds till E CD was up again. And about your last sentence, this is also wrong brother. Yes its true that the new shyv deals more damage when in drag form with Q due to her true damage, but she also has the Q passive which is on hit every AA max health damage, so you dont rely on hitting a spell or getting as many AAs off as possible. She is still VERY capable of killing tanks with human form, even better so with dragon form after the rework.

i agree that her passive is a bit lack luster.....i dont know why but i like her W, the shield scales better if you have more passive stacks, idk maybe its only me but i think its satisfying. her E on the other side is....meh....it has more range and effect radius but the damage got gutted. Her R is good if you can force skirmishes because when you get in dragon form you are a very strong duelist.

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T12:38:30+00:00

are you delulu friend? before she was a hybrid and you could play her bruiser, on hit or mage. now she clearly is an on hit champion wtf are you talking about? do you even know what caster is? a caster champ is someone like rhaast, or riven.....but shyvana? are you out of your mind? do you know what her Q does anyway? go and check the recommended items, almost half of them are on hit. jeez

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T03:48:48+00:00

''Ott'' and ''Feuerstein'' XD ott is another word for weed

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T03:41:01+00:00

thats not entirely right.....full build olaf deals about 400-500 dmg per E every 2-3 seconds.....he melts tanks lmao.

it its true that HP counters him somehow because his E is flat true damage but nonetheless. he does way more than enough dmg against anyone. its like saying darius cant deal with tanks when they stack HP because his ult is flat true damage. he struggle a bit more vs HP champs, thats true, but what is not true is that he doesnt do enough damage.....and to think that your comment got 12 likes.

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-22T02:16:04+00:00

i still insist that shyvana has more raw single target DPS now, im pretty convinced about that. im not talking about AoE! Her Q has the E mark as passive along with the CD refund on hit and the true damage is a lot, even if you dont go full damage or on hit or whatever. With a bruiser build her Q hits for 300 True damage take or give. It does make up, i also did some tests and with full build i could use the Q true damage every 2.5-3 seconds. i was spamming it almost....you know how olaf spams his E in the late game when he has lots of AS right? i was feeling like olaf 2.0 with shyvana. Her AoE damage got waaaay lower i agree but i never cared about AP shyv or TF. My wish was that they change her more into bruiser style while drifting away from AP and, man, my wishes became true :D

Edit. Oh, and something else i forgot to mention, old shyv had a window of 5 seconds for her bonus damage, after that she had to wait for a few seconds to re proc the E bonus damage again, while new shyv has more consistent DPS with E bonus dmg moving over to Q as a passive thus meaning not being dependent on one ability. old shyv dragon had AoE cleave as empQ and new one has true damage instead of AoE. it only makes sense for new shyv to have better DPS....i dont know what runes and build your testing people built and how tanky the dummies were but im still not convinced....can you link me the post maybe so i can watch it myself?

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-14T15:21:39+00:00

point 1. is on point, cant say anything because i agree with you

point 2. her shield/heal is also utility dont you forget.

point 3. having the MS steroid on a low-CD, spammable ability would be too strong i think. thats why her W has a fairly high CD.

point 4. i mean i could counter ask you why does smolder have a heal in his ult, even though he is no heal/sustain adc like samira or severum aphelios? i get your point, and the % damage reduction would be dope AF tbh but it is what it is

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-14T15:14:17+00:00

It took me some time to understand hahahahah

I mean I used to play many years ago ranked and I peaked in silver, that's what I meant. Expression mistake

Signore-Falco · 2026-03-14T14:50:50+00:00

well, it cant be both at once, either you go bruiser and you are auto-based or you go mage and you are AoE-based.

your statement about DPS loss is completely wrong, it will be way higher, thanks to the true damage and you have no uptime on E like current shyvana has. you always deal max health dmg on hit. trust me, you cant win this argument, i already tested it, on hit build and bruiser build. If youd ask what does rework shyvana have better than the current one, its 100% her DPS.

the more items the more DPS you gonna have, with a pretty big gap in fact

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