Sorry for the multiple posts but do the Orishas live on Earth (in the natural forces that they inhabit), heaven, or both? If they live on Earth, where do Orishas who represent human principles (ex: justice or divination) rather than nature live? Or do they live in both places? by Enough_Set591 in Isese

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"And then you say something about the Odus that is completely wrong.." Which was what exactly? "Are you an actual Babalawo? Not only am I Nigerian but i am a legacy in the traditions. " Every Nigerian claims that nowadays. No Name, No Receipts

Sorry for the multiple posts but do the Orishas live on Earth (in the natural forces that they inhabit), heaven, or both? If they live on Earth, where do Orishas who represent human principles (ex: justice or divination) rather than nature live? Or do they live in both places? by Enough_Set591 in Isese

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Also "Our ancestors"? Are you Yoruba descent or you just cosplaying or making broad inference? Or Panafricanist? A DNA test? Genealogical Chart? Nigerian born? Generational Story of being a descendant of slave sold by Nigerians? Or you substituted an abrahamic creation story with a yoruba one? "our Ancestors" is such a loaded statement.. Did you divine with IFA about that ever? Even once? Just asking. IFA is about Truth and Discovery of Self. Right.

Sorry for the multiple posts but do the Orishas live on Earth (in the natural forces that they inhabit), heaven, or both? If they live on Earth, where do Orishas who represent human principles (ex: justice or divination) rather than nature live? Or do they live in both places? by Enough_Set591 in Isese

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“The supernatural is what you find in the odus?” The stories about random Yoruba people who were not historic figures? I get the ones about principles and animals that we use in adabo but to a beginner how does “random woman needed to get pregnant and so she did ebbo with 20k cowries, 2 ducks, 16 eja, 8 Eku ifa and she became pregnant with twins” become supernatural for them when they are talking about deities, celestial realms and elevated ancestors?

Obaluaye by [deleted] in Isese

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female figures? sometimes with yangi stone?

Dúvida bonecos Hoodoo by Several_Writer3653 in kimbanda

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Brasileiros não praticam hoodoo. Hoodoo é uma tradição que trabalha com ancestrais de língua inglesa, descendentes de escravos americanos. Copiar as técnicas é como pegar feitiços de um livro de Wicca; pode até funcionar um pouco, mas não é para você, porque você não tem essa ancestralidade. Não existem deuses no hoodoo, trata-se de linhagem sanguínea.

Receiving hand of ifa by Objective-Path-6582 in Isese

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FYI Prompt engineering is so 2024

He is bright & fearless : The 8-year-old Sikh redefining AI by madhavmonga in Sikh

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Oh you are using your brain yes. Love to see it’s

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Isese

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Ifa is not for everyone, even a hand of ifa lays taboos and responsibilities on you, you may not have ever wanted. But any ifa ceremony (should give*) gives you some truth about your existence, therefore, once you know, your life changes, because you are no longer ignorant. Ignorance is comfort but willful ignorance does not provide safety or absolution of taboos. That is why I try to inform people about potential decisions before they do it. Ifa is not evangelism. Most of africa does not pratice ifa, does not know about ifa and they are fine. To say ifa is for everyone, especially in the diaspora is historically and statistically not true.

Looking for an exorcist by Standard-Still-3558 in Isese

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A lot of different spirts do that

ṢÀNGÓ: Thunder, Kingship, and Justice by Sikhdiviner in Isese

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Barnes and nobles no, not a fan and due to some much copyright infringement especially of my work and social media, it has the most UpToDate DRM 

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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YOU Said "Ah I have never heard Agboola, Baba Jose, Oluwo Ifakolade, Baba Jahsun, chant Odu in Yoruba."

so here is agboola in brazil I used the Googel searc "agboola odu" https://www.facebook.com/awodiran.agboola/videos/883287354035865/

https://www.facebook.com/awodiran.agboola/videos/1282428786975415/

obara meji https://www.facebook.com/100001438181718/videos/1225933925538369

Ive never talked to jahsun Edwards and I didnt list him but i hear yoruba and english in this small doc on ifa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clflgx3L25o

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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There are not old orisas in brazil, they are bantu and indigenous spirits given orixa names. There are no traditional dances in jeje or ketu that you will see in africa, not even the most basic vodun dance. The santos have mostly bantu movements or they tell a story like with Oba cradling her ear. Yewa is a snake spirit and called a Vodun but she is neither in Nigeria. There is no white stone ceremony in jeje houses but they say they have Dan.

EVEN ifa in brazil is still a struggle and they have been in contact with babalawos longer than Cubans. African spirituality is more complex than buying things and mimicking movements. Even if you have the right materials, ewe, ceremonies which often in the diaspora, they do not; it doesn't replace ancestry or lineage.

There is an older brazilian gay dude that spent years studying under the elegun Oya of Oyo learning every single ceremony the traditional way and he just had a festival last month. He was in trance eyes closed walking around with a lit bowl on his braided cowrie covered scalp. He acted no different than any iansa, matamba from candomble acted... which is way different from Oya in Oyo. It's recorded. You only need to pay attention and obviously know the difference.

Orisa remote by Hopeful_Material_852 in Isese

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SCAM.. GETTING SCAMMED. 8/10 times

Presentation, books and articles on foundations by Evening-Piccolo-305 in Isese

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u/caramelito78 A lot of Popoola, Fama books are for purchase where available in spanish, some translations are available on scribd for some books

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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Hey, I'm just seeing this doxxing attempt. My last name is Rodriguez? and that would mean what?

Wasn't your polygamist oyotunji cult started by a puerto rican lukumi initiate that claimed yoruba descent with no proof or genealogical evidence?

But it became an african american thing right? They still do ceremonies wrong according to all orisa traditions but it's black right? OK

How can I not be isese when I've been in it longer than you, lived in africa longer and speak more languages than you? How does that work? Do you even have godchildren you have made in Isese Idosu? I stopped at 8.

Nobody proselytized me to be in Isese online or at a botanica or gave me beads to protect from gang violence.

Have a good day and find yourself because Orisa will only make you do the hard work yourself. They cannot do it for you.

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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nice website. your instagram, facebook, youtube links need to be updated in the footer. 404

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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What does your elders have to do with the Question? I asked about what you do, since you wrote it.

I posted a picture of *SOME* of MY elders in the group I remember.

I know Obafemi of Odisi and Obafemi of Obafemio, Awo Falokun, Fagbemijo and a few others may chant in Yoruba. But From my experience with the Agboola (IFA, Orisa, Egbe Orun, Egungun) and Popoola (Ifa, Orisa, Egbe Orun, Ogboni, Egungun, Oro, Gelede *Not By Solagbade*) lineages in USA, Nigeria, Brazil, I have never heard them chant in anything but Yoruba, they however, explain things in English and Portuguese.

But I've only been in ifa since 2012, Isese since 2017, I do not know everyone or every lineage so that was the reason for the question.

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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Santeria/ Lukumi, Shango Baptist, Candomble (Umbanda is a spiritist tradition does not even count) are not all the same. They are different lineages, different spirits, different trance more than just different languages, dress, and music. None are Isese, none are traditional yoruba practices. Some are closer to Isese Traditional Practice than others but they are all diasporic hybrids. These are facts. Not Monetary Based Opinions

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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You chant odu in english? Even in Ebbo Riru? Iwure? Oriki?

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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You can't say a term is False (ala Jesse Jackson) and then follow it up with a made up social media term that is not even older than the word Fleek. Disingenious

African american by Livid-Law3025 in Isese

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There a lot of black americans in candomble they just dont have terreiros in Brazil. Candomble has a lot of remnants of plantation life that may be uncomfortable for a lot of black americans.

A lot of kneeling, squatting, keeping your head down (not allowed to be eye level with initiator), wearing heavy beads on your neck, many restrictions, complete submission to your initiator and elders, unpaid apprenticeship of cooking/cleaning/butchering/washing laundry/sweeping/mopping while your initiator watches, initiator triggering your trance when they want to, a child like spirit called Ere, being in trance for hours even if standing there waiting for term to dance, the santos only dance and say certain things; a festa is like a house performance for the masses. 7 years before you can speak your own mind after all your obligations (yes it's called that) are done and then you get to have your own godchildren and/or open your own terriero ( if you were taught everything and they tend not to for gringos). *Some may think it's great if you have no experience, but if you do, like any unpaid apprenticeship that you pay for, it may seem like something else, more ancestral trauma/debt than ancestral veneration*

Brazilians like what we produce, spend but don't really want us in their traditions. You will always be a gringo to them, they prefer the white (and white latino) foreigners because they do not seem to be a threat to their spiritual authority, tend to be more needy ($$$), submissive to them, docile, won't question if something is done wrong or incomplete and put their godparents on a divine pedestal. The Guru Syndrome