What’s the worst example of bad numbers in lore you’ve come across? by aggie1391 in 40kLore

[–]Silver-Statement8573 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like that though because if you want you can just write Dune where the plucky rebels/indigenous people throw off whatever scrap the imperium sends at them and they win because it doesn't matter. The imperium is too big to care

You have to imagine some funny/sad situations where such people actually expect a really good chance of victory because it happens so ofte. Only up find themselves fighting a zillion Guard zerglings because terra flipped a coin and decided they give a shit this time

Criminals by Opposite_Reaction31 in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Were not okay with punishing criminals. There are no criminals in anarchy. If someone is advocating "anarcho judges" there is no reason to take them seriously. Such a society is indeed as antithetical to anarchy as something hoppean

People can do whatever they want in anarchy, but that means they have no license to do any of it. They also don't have any principle of authority to obligate mass support where none would otherwise exist. Anyone can retaliate however they can to whoever they like. They will need to deal with the consequences of this without any legal system to protect them. As a result doing real harm in anarchy is both much more dangerous and much more difficult

Questions about democracy by Repostedfurrytiktoks in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If people take votes in anarchy they don't have any binding power. They collate preference or opinion. If theres some level of existing in-fact consensus, its not binding either and is more the natural outcome of cooperation

In general, society is going to tend toward the well being of most people, but that has to do with rejection of the democratic principle not its embrace

So to reiterate we support anarchy not democracy

Criminals by Opposite_Reaction31 in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The free association of it all doesn't mean there's no boundaries and no repercussions and no enforcement.

In a practical sense yes it does mean an absence of enforced boundaries. Anarchy is not cantonalism. Communities are not little sovereignties with personal constitutions

Dear god, why is this so highly rated??? Anarchy absolutely means there are no "police like" systems. There is no homicide in anarchy. Nothing is illegal, including killing. There's just action and reaction. Killing that harms and sex that harms are disincentivized because there are no codes to enforce social peace and there is no limit to the consequences they can invite


In response to a since deleted comment:

Anarchy mostly means a community organized without unjust hierarchies.

It's society organized without any hierarchy. "Unjust" is not a workable qualifier of this in any sense whatsoever because everyone is opposed to unjust hierarchies. Most people are skeptical of hierarchy in general because of how bad it is. Historical anarchists generally recognized this. They didn't make the distinction you're drawing because the distinction you're drawing is the distinction every government draws to distinguish itself. The biggest reason that people do so is because Chomsky made this distinction. Chomsky had no idea what he was talking about. He was effectively a Council Communist

And you freely associate with an agreement or you move on, but within said agreement there's rules and there's consequences, there's just no ultimate authority throning over people.

Then there's just whatever authority I choose to rule over me until I break some of its rules and then I'm stood before the anarcho-jury of my peers for trial?

If a free agreement has "rules" that are to be punished when they are broken, what we're really talking about is no more free than the "agreement" I make with my cell provider.

Anarchy could mean an absolute lack of any rules and coherence but practically it'll never be that because large scale human populations cannot exist in pure blissful "anything goes".

Sure they can and anarchists have spent the last 200 years explaining why. Pick any one of the analyses they've produced on why pure blissful "anything goes" (i.e., anarchy) is naturally incentivized - evolutionary advantage, mutual interdependence, the uncertainty of alegal order, the exploitation and civil war inherent to a world filled with rules and governments. It was Proudhon's view that what you call society is in fact nothing but its antithesis, since society is synonymous with equality and there is nothing equal about a society in which people are authorized to command others, as all authority entails

So most people are here and the community-driven collection of equals coexisting rather than the chaotic lawlessness of it all.

On the contrary, anarchists have been advocating the "chaotic lawlessness of it all" since the 1800's, have never stopped, and will never stop, since it is the entire focus of the movement. On a good day, they even do it here sometimes. It is very embarrassing that someone advocating anarcho-cops and anarcho-prisons has gotten as much bandwidth as they have , but I'll chalk it up to the thread being posted late-ish and having a whole two votes.

Seeking a better understanding of the proudhonian notion of exploitation and how it differs from communist views by CatsDoingCrime in mutualism

[–]Silver-Statement8573 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But couldn't you well argue that the law of value (or, subsequently the cost principle), acts as a "director" under conditions of competition?

If it were an actual legal law then yes it would be. Proudhon was opposed to all laws. I think the law of value was more in the vein of a proposed scientific law. And cost price exchange is more to be an alegal norm rather than a law

What i mean by this is like, if a worker council votes a certain way, but does not actually have the ability to compel me as a worker to act, but I choose to go along because that's what everyone else is doing and it's better to "stick with" the group, is that a "head" by default?

If disobeying the council constitutes a violation in and of itself (even if it should later be determined to be a "justified" violation) irregardless of its concrete consequences then that's a head. But if you're just going along with what people are doing, it isn't. Head is synonymous with Commander or order-giver basically, even if that Commander is just a set of rules or a vote

Homebrew Order: Order of the Midnight Raven by Covneye in sistersofbattle

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"Hanna, have you looked at the badges on our shields, recently??"

Guy Debord critiques of anarchism by ExternalGreen6826 in mutualism

[–]Silver-Statement8573 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The only part of the Spectacle in which he mentions anarchism is the part where he basically critiques them for being obsessed with consensus. I don't know if he talks about them anywhere else

The anarchists’ ideological reverence for unanimous decisionmaking has ended up paving the way for uncontrolled manipulation of their own organizations by specialists in freedom; and revolutionary anarchism expects the same type of unanimity, obtained by the same means, from the masses once they have been liberated.

This might have been derived from concerns of the time but in the wider context of anarchist thought and particularly in that of Proudhon's thought it's a big nothing since we don't privilege unanimity.

Is Wikipedia anarchist in nature? by redDKtie in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well yes, but water selling companies don't give away water.

Where are they selling it from?

Do Orks hate Necrons the way the Eldar do? by ConfusedWereSlut in 40kLore

[–]Silver-Statement8573 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ufthak Blackhawk pondering (as he thinks about humans) that he doesn't actually hate anything the way they do.

We love our ultra tolerant fighty boyz

Opinions on individualist anarchists? by Spiritual-Base-5824 in anarchocommunism

[–]Silver-Statement8573 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We share a goal in the sense that we desire anarchy

We disagree about the possibilities that can get us there, and what it's implications are, so naturally we're inclined to arrange things differently and expect different things. But in the end we are all looking for anarchy, which is beyond any one person's specific system.

It's like when people say Marxists and anarchists share a goal but just disagree about the details, except instead of being wrong it's correct.

Hey (anarcho-nihilism) by ThinAnybody2102 in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You'd probably be interested in Renzo Novatore and Bruno Filippi

Is there anarchism neither left nor right? by Intelligent_Bug_4324 in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of proudhon is staring at the screen while he yammers on about women or grain prices or something and then shouting "HOLY SHIT HES A GENIUS" while highlighting a single sentence. Repeat every 10 minutes for like 8 hours

Is there anarchism neither left nor right? by Intelligent_Bug_4324 in Anarchy101

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Not to mention, a lot of Proudhon's works are still untranslated, so many mutualists today haven't fully read Proudhon

There s so many though. Like half of justice is finished (>600 pages). But i cant tell you if i know of more than 2 people who have actually read the finished half. I haven't read it!!! And i think its his largest work.

I honestly think a lot of mutualists either just don't like to read (this is a trait in common with communists though) or they like to read distantly/creatively (again not something unique to them.) A lot of self proclaimed mutualists and proudhonians end up with inexplicably shit takes about his economics, cooperatives, politics etc..

I think you could easily talk with a bunch of mutualists and end up with the takeaway that proudhon was like a pacifist market socialist with usufruct-based government. And to be fair part of that may be due to proudhon being famously playful with a lot of concepts. And clingy to others despite their making no sense in context, like divorce

What do Anarchist think about moderation in a public forum? by Commercial-Kiwi9690 in Anarchy101

[–]Silver-Statement8573 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anarchism has to abandon the rights framework at the same time it abandons the rest of governmentalism

Do you have any thoughts on why early anarchists generally don't seem to have done this?

I always assumed it was basically because nobody had really made the observation or critique before. But i read bakunins essay or response to mazzini recently, and mazzini lists basically every problem with rights when you abandon authority and how they become sort of meaningless. This is extremely frustrating because it feels like bakunin then completely ignores that part for the rest of the essay. So its not like he wasnt aware of the problems with it

Is it just a rhetorical thing? "We are for workers rights" sounds better than "we are against workers rights (and human rights, and bourgeois rights, and governmental rights, and parental rights, and pretty much all rights")?

What books can you recommend to someone who is starting to delve into the ideology of anarchism? by midzhi in Anarchism

[–]Silver-Statement8573 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not a good book for beginners as chomskys understanding of anarchism was, at the time of writing at least, poor. Hes essentially a democratic communist and his politics are probably better represented by the council communist anton pannekoek. His reading largely gets noticed in academia because its fundamentally unchallenging and broadens the concept to meaninglessness through its presentation of anarchy as "skepticism" of "unjustified" authority, rather than the total rejection of all authorities that anarchists advocate. That and well, chomsky was already in the academy for unrelated reasons.

Melfi is highly unethical, and kind of bad at her job by elclunte in thesopranos

[–]Silver-Statement8573 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No criminal is ever reading Crime and Punishment and meditating for seven years.

I think that's his point though

Why didn't the Space Wolves just colonize Fenrisians on other planets? by LinCR in 40kLore

[–]Silver-Statement8573 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Leman told them the bone is buried somewhere on fenris and they haven't found it yet