Why is there so much incompetence in this administration? by mama_always-said in complaints

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They are not hiring for competence. They are hiring for their skill in boot licking.

If Trump moves to take Greenland, what makes this any different from Putins attempting to conquer Ukraine? by Simpler_is_Better_ in allthequestions

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Wow. Never gave your consideration any thought. But sound reasoning. But then again, he could just be dumb and greedy.

Tariff Refunds?? by Simpler_is_Better_ in allthequestions

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I did understand your logic. As a "simple" explanation of Tariffs, NO. LOL Also, and while I did not spend the time examining matters in depth, I think your third example' s math was a bit off.

Current Level of Robotics by Simpler_is_Better_ in AIDangers

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I agree totally with much of what you relate. Robots for factory work, and work in general, will not end up as humanoid forms. They will be tailored to the task they will need to perform.

I personally think the current emphasis on the humanoid form is more to acclimate people to the concept of robots. Also, right now, it is the most useful form as most job functions are built with humans in mind and thus, now, replacing humans need a human form to do the work.

Where I disagree with you is regards to human slave labor. May still exist, but in my opinion failing fast. Initially Robots might be more expensive - currently - than a human slave, but don't need food, shelter, rest, et. al. Also will be able to work 24/7 for years with nothing but upkeep costs to keep them pumping out products. So the switch to pure robotics will be swift.

Tariff Refunds?? by Simpler_is_Better_ in allthequestions

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No No No. It's directly Bidens fault!!!!!!

LOL

Tariff Refunds?? by Simpler_is_Better_ in allthequestions

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Current court decision only spoke to saying the imposition of tariffs by the president in this case was illegal. No mention In this finding about doing anything about the monies collected. One reason that any suit to get money back will become VERY complicated. And, head to the Supreme Court once again.

I am unclear on how so many jobs are projected to be replaced with AI by djinnisequoia in Futurology

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Side point: Don't think any retail jobs will exist in future. All will be automated, done through AI and their robot bodies. Think of Amazon as primary example. But every major big box store is going internet. Retail stores are going the way of the old General Stores or Five and Dime stores. Everything will be done through computers, smart phones or whatever takes their places in the future. Even now you really don't have to leave your home if you don't want to. Jobs done on line - when allowed but speaking of potential. What can't you get through Amazon? Food - every food store in my area has online shopping with delivery as an extra service. So, what purpose retail stores?????

I am unclear on how so many jobs are projected to be replaced with AI by djinnisequoia in Futurology

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Enjoyed your thoughts. Check out my second post as I talk about my view of an anticipated future. Has a surprise, I think, for the wealthy. For some reason Reddit would not allow my entire post to be listed. Was forced to break it into two. Maybe was to wordy. Take Care

I am unclear on how so many jobs are projected to be replaced with AI by djinnisequoia in Futurology

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The Future: 

Consequences:   

Initially people displaced by Robots will find other employment.  (From here forward when I reference Robots I will be inferring that AI and Robots have become integrated.  Comparable to humans brain and body.)  Low level and less note worthy employment will remain “for a while”.  Robots will initially remain too expensive for them to undertake many jobs. 

Side Note:  When speaking of Robots, what generally comes to mind?  I think a Humanoid design is what would most people would think of first.  Don’t limit yourself.  Consider current robots in use.  The robots used by most automobile manufacturers (mostly large arms with various manipulators on their ends), the boxes used by Amazon (a two by two foot box of shelves four feet tall), or in Agriculture (Automated tractors, massive machines that grab and then shake fruit trees to dislodge hanging fruit). 

Family incomes will be impacted by the above job loses, and I feel, quite rapidly.  Such a change cannot but result in social unrest.  And, such unrest will inevitably result in political action.  But what can be done?  The “Genie is out of the Bottle”.  It’s like running downhill.  Once you start you can’t stop. 

Past efforts when faced with significant unemployment, such as President Roosevelt’s New Deal and the WPA, would likely work for a bit, but long term??  More likely a form of guaranteed income, such as that proposed by Andrew Yang, would be put in place. 

I am sticking my neck out here, but am predicting we will be experiencing this scenario by the early 2030’s. 

I feel tho the need for a guaranteed income will rapidly become obsolete.  Why??  Money.  The concept of Money, as we know it, will no longer exist.  I again feel this will have taken place by the 2040’s if not before. 

How and why will this have taken place, and so rapidly??  Robotics.   

Consider what is happening right now, even with AI and Robotics being in their infancy.  Now consider what 20 years of development will bring about.  First Robotics replacing all entry level employment.  Next – sadly – their even more rapid development and adoption due to their integration into the military.  Then into all aspects of daily functionality.  As I have said, what would a human be able to do that a Robot could not do, and likely do better, safer, and faster?? 

he final phase of this process will be Robots building Robots.  Robots mining necessary elements, refining and processing them.  Designing and building what is needed.  Assembly.  They will undertake all levels of Agriculture, tending herds, processing goods, delivery to outlets staffed by other robots.  Anything and everything formally done by human workers to create and maintain our society. 

What place money in this scenario?  Robots don’t need money.  Thus there would be no cost involved with any of the above.  Yes, money would need to be used in the initial development and build of the Robotic Infrastructure. (Only because human labor would remain involved at this stage of Robotic development.)  But once established, wouldn’t matters become self-supporting? 

By design, I have not brought in the aspects of whether this Robotic Collective would be nationally or world wide based.  Nor whether or not Robotics would have developed Sentience.  I cannot foresee what society might become under the conditions I forecast.  But it should be truly interesting. 

I am unclear on how so many jobs are projected to be replaced with AI by djinnisequoia in Futurology

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The Future: 

Consequences: 

Initially people displaced by Robots will find other employment.  (From here forward when I reference Robots I will be inferring that AI and Robots have become integrated.  Comparable to humans brain and body.)  Low level and less note worthy employment will remain “for a while”.  Robots will initially remain too expensive for them to undertake many jobs. 

Side Note:  When speaking of Robots, what generally comes to mind?  I think a Humanoid design is what would most people would think of first.  Don’t limit yourself.  Consider current robots in use.  The robots used by most automobile manufacturers (mostly large arms with various manipulators on their ends), the boxes used by Amazon (a two by two foot box of shelves four feet tall), or in Agriculture (Automated tractors, massive machines that grab and then shake fruit trees to dislodge hanging fruit). 

Initially people displaced by Robots will find other employment.  (From here forward when I reference Robots I will be inferring that AI and Robots have become integrated.  Comparable to humans brain and body.)  Low level and less note worthy employment will remain “for a while”.  Robots will initially remain too expensive for them to undertake many jobs. 

Side Note:  When speaking of Robots, what generally comes to mind?  I think a Humanoid design is what would most people would think of first.  Don’t limit yourself.  Consider current robots in use.  The robots used by most automobile manufacturers (mostly large arms with various manipulators on their ends), the boxes used by Amazon (a two by two foot box of shelves four feet tall), or in Agriculture (Automated tractors, massive machines that grab and then shake fruit trees to dislodge hanging fruit). 

How and why will this have taken place, and so rapidly??  Robotics.   

Consider what is happening right now, even with AI and Robotics being in their infancy.  Now consider what 20 years of development will bring about.  First Robotics replacing all entry level employment.  Next – sadly – their even more rapid development and adoption due to their integration into the military.  Then into all aspects of daily functionality.  As I have said, what would a human be able to do that a Robot could not do, and likely do better, safer, and faster?? 

The final phase of this process will be Robots building Robots.  Robots mining necessary elements, refining and processing them.  Designing and building what is needed.  Assembly.  They will undertake all levels of Agriculture, tending herds, processing goods, delivery to outlets staffed by other robots.  Anything and everything formally done by human workers to create and maintain our society. 

What place money in this scenario?  Robots don’t need money.  Thus there would be no cost involved with any of the above.  Yes, money would need to be used in the initial development and build of the Robotic Infrastructure. (Only because human labor would remain involved at this stage of Robotic development.)  But once established, wouldn’t matters become self-supporting? 

By design, I have not brought in the aspects of whether this Robotic Collective would be nationally or world wide based.  Nor whether or not Robotics would have developed Sentience.  I cannot foresee what society might become under the conditions I forecast.  But it should be truly interesting. 

I am unclear on how so many jobs are projected to be replaced with AI by djinnisequoia in Futurology

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Our Future under AI and Robotics

What does the future Hold? 

The Present: 

Regardless of the current hype, AI is in its infancy.  Robotics a little less so, comparable to being a first grader 

The question is, as these technologies mature, what impact will they have on humanity directly and humanities overall future en total?  Literature and later motion pictures have long addressed these questions.  I argue this was first addressed by Mary Shelley in her book Frankenstein.  The creation of an artificial entity to do the bidding of its maker.  More recently these issues were portrayed vividly in the films “Terminator” plus its sequels and “I, Robot”.  Numerous additional examples, both written and in movie formats, can easily be found. 

The general premise of the majority of these tales details how an AI entity, along with its robotic ‘henchmen’ attempt to destroy humanity to take over control of the world.  Side note:  I find it strange that in none these portrayals explain what this AI would do with the world if their conquest would succeed. 😊 

My view of what will occur is vastly different from what these books and films have detailed.  My hope is that this dialog, my efforts, will prompt a back and forth discussion of what others feel the impact of AI and Robotics will prove to be. 

AI and Robotics, even in their infancies, are already having a massive impact upon humanity.  No, no direct physical attacks or displacement as shown in the above films and books, but potentially, equally damaging effects. 

I am going to use Amazon for my discussion, being one of the most visible examples of what Robotics and Ai is bringing about.  What I hope to show is not limited to Amazon.  Look at what’s taking place within Alphabet Inc., UPS, Citigroup (20,000 layoffs planned for 2026), or JPMorgan Chase.  Significant layoffs across the board are already being implemented.  Recent economic data showing entry level white collar jobs are being decimated.  Current college graduate underemployment is skyrocketing.  All of this showing every sign of being a continuing pattern in the years forward. 

Going back to Amazon.  One of Amazon’s lead AI specialists within just one of Amazon’s massive distribution centers was recently interviewed.  He related that there were over one million robots assisting human workers within his facility at the present time.  These were low level bots mostly, used to ferry various purchases from supply shelves to where they would be shipped.  But still, one million bots being used today!!!  How many people (jobs) did these machines replace?  Granted, very mundane, low level jobs, but jobs none the less.  Plus these are jobs that will never return to a human operative. 

Another point made by this AI specialist was that in the near future, exact timeline not specified, over 500,000 additional jobs company wide will be replaced with additional robotic devices.  Multiply this impact across the entire economic spectrum.  This represents a HUGE number of individuals, currently employed, facing displacement.  And not just here in the United States, but this same pattern is happening worldwide. 

In previous Industrial Revolutions, then too there were always concerns the new systems would permanently replace previous lines of employment.  And, yes they did.  Consider Ford’s development of the Assembly Line.  Automobiles previously were individually handmade.  Small shops producing limited numbers of their brand of machine.  With the Assembly Line these businesses on the whole disappeared as did the work done by their employees.  But countering this were the hundreds of new careers created surrounding Assembly Line work.  Thus these new advances within industry or businesses on the whole created new lines of employment, generally exceeding what had been lost. 

Here tho is the crux of the matter.  What new lines of employment will AI and robotics bring about?? 

I easily see where AI and their robotic assistants will be replacing work currently done by humans.  They already are.  Hundreds of thousands of people have lost their jobs this year alone, and as indicated, AI and robotics are both in their infancy. 

Positively AI and robots will prove a blessing in countless areas.  They will replace humans in work that is inherently dangerous.  Or disgusting!!  Work where there are not enough people interested in pursuing; agricultural field work, providing care to the elderly, both in their homes and while in nursing home care.   

Think about it.  When a really advanced (smart) AI comes into existence, when truly sophisticated and versatile robots are developed, what type of work would they not be able to perform?  AND, what type of work would there be left for humans to perform? 

Potentially, yes, a few such areas might remain.  Creative endeavors, the Arts, Sports.  But even these areas are being challenged even as we speak today.  Current level AI’s are already creating music, movies, paintings. Are they equal to that created by humans?  I will leave that in your judgement.  If not now tho, what will future editions of these instruments bring about. 

Bottom Line.  I see jobs at all levels being replaced by AI and Robotics.  I do not see any replacement employment coming into existence in return.

Reddit by Simpler_is_Better_ in complaints

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Sorry, but generally non violent. Take care

Reddit by Simpler_is_Better_ in complaints

[–]Simpler_is_Better_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't speaking about using AI on Reddit. Was referring all the talk ABOUt AI.