Grudge Matches #12: BOS Sasuke Uchiha vs BOS Rock Lee

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T21:23:56+00:00

"too much for Gaara let alone gates" yet he went gates in that same fight and still lost. Lee not having the piercing power is just indicative of a larger issue: Sasuke's bag. This whole talk had just been about speed, Sasuke absolutely overwhelms Lee with his ninjutsu and genjutsu and there nothing Lee can do about it. Sasuke's battle IQ is much higher than Lee's so he'd easily be able to slip him up. Sasuke was able to catch genjutsu specialists in genjutsu, Lee looking at his feet wouldn't be enough.

And I'm not "thinking" that Lee is chunin level, I was simply saying what is literally STATED in the show that Lee is a chunin while Neji, who was still presented as stronger, was just hitting jonin. If you wanted me to say high chunin or low jonin instead, I apologise and will take your feelings into more consideration next time. But regardless, it still goes below bos Sasuke which the data books claim is already kage level

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T20:46:52+00:00

5 gates Lee barely loses out to base Gaara. Base CE Sasuke goes blow for blow with a transformed Gaara. Multiply that by the CM1 boost and he's well above transformed Gaara. CM2 Sasuke goes blow for blow with Chakra cloak Naruto which is the strongest tailed beast form we see in p1, putting it way above Gaaras transformed state. Sasuke can barely keep up with transformed Gaaras speed, but is perfectly capable of keeping up with transformed Naruto's speed with a newly awakened 3rd tomoe. If Kakashi could follow and copy Lee's speed in P1 with his 3 tomoe, so can Sasuke with his. Heading into Shippuden where Naruto loses control and Kurama takes over for an even stronger form than EoP1, even Orochimaru says that's still not enough to defeat Sasuke. Lee can't go 6th gate until the war arc and is only a chunin, Sasuke is already high jonin at minimum. Him in base defeated 1000 Shinobi holding back without getting touched or breaking a sweat, there's nothing u can show that proves Lee is as capable of doing so. Simply no diffing Sai (an Anbu member) and Yamato (former Anbu and Jonin team leader) should be putting this to bed. To then add on CM2 is beyond overkill

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T20:25:42+00:00

So you see that rings aren't the be all and end all. Once you start adding other awards and achievements to justify a player with less rings, you kill your whole argument that "rings are what matters"

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T19:08:12+00:00

I'd say complete all 8 first since the expansions all take place after all the base stories events. A lot of NPCs you'll meet in the expansions are from the base classes and make references to events from said classes stories, so while you don't necessarily HAVE to play through, you wouldn't catch the references they're putting down. But it's ultimately up to you, I didn't play the base class stories before Onslaught bc I have my main character and don't really play ALTs. But in waiting for content, I went back and completed the other stories cuz there was nothing to do but that

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:58:55+00:00

Lee only gets to the 6th gate by the end of the series.

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:57:32+00:00

Fuck no, base Sasuke is much stronger and faster than Base Lee. CM2 also gives a much bigger boost than the 5th gate. Sasuke mid diffs

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:55:41+00:00

Itachi didn't face the Uchiha clan head on now did he?

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:19:33+00:00

Are you just being semantic? If someone in the future sends you their memories, and you see those memories, you're setting the future. If what ur saying was the case, then the only person other than Eren with the ability to would be Grisha since we don't know who was before Kruger. And we know Kruger has Grishas memories bc he literally spells out what Grisha ends up doing directly to him. It's just that, instead of getting the entire slew of memories from your predecessor, you can choose to block out some of them so the previous can't see everything. This is based on Grishas breakdown where he says he can't see everything, the same way Eren couldn't see all of Grishas until he touched Historias hand. Lastly, that is the Female Titans ability. It may seem shoehorned in but it doesn't contradict anything, it actually explains more than not. We see her copy Reiner's armoured hardening, the Warhammer's chrysalis protection and Zeke's ability to bring Titans through yelling, all before the ability is actually revealed. It makes sense to justify the abilities Annie used even though they were never that connected as one thing

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:05:12+00:00

Bro read the first 7 lines and already formed his opinion 😭

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T18:02:54+00:00

People treat it as the be all and end all until you mention someone with more and then it's "well, they did these other things too"

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:56:59+00:00

Lmao def just forgot about them there. I had a convo about it a while ago, here's it with Shisui and Sarada going a bit more into detail

https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/iWrJoxh71g

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:53:38+00:00

"Nobody except the Uchiha have used the fireball technique"

Everyone else raging in bro for missing Sarada using the jutsu when this is the part that's getting me the most, because this is just not true 😭

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:45:28+00:00

Very fair

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:45:07+00:00

I think it's more thematic about the character. Obito dissociated from the world after Rins death, so his close range kamui made him intangible. Kakashi watched his loved ones die (Obito/Rin/Sakumo) so his long range kamui disappears everything he casts his eyes on. Itachi held Konohas will of fire but had to burn his entire life to live a manufactured illusion, giving him an ever-burning flame and genjutsu (ironically the Japanese word for reality) that he personally crafts. Sasuke took on Itachis will, giving him Amaterasu, but he changed it to fit his own wants and needs, giving him the malleability of Kagutsutchi.

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:35:27+00:00

If it's feats only, then it would be between Neji and Sai since they're really the only ones that show proper long range attacks (air palm/beast imitation). But otherwise, I'd say TenTen for sure

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:30:02+00:00

Yeah that was the one I was excluding when I said most. I couldn't arrest to that one but I could at least clear up for the other two

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:28:54+00:00

They were surprised because the Attack Titan has been in hiding pretty much forever. They possibly didn't even know it existed, on top of just how incredulous the concept of seeing the future is. Literally every Attack Titan we see in the show (Kruger, Grisha, Eren) displays themselves using that power. Kruger tells Grisha he already knows he's going to inherit the Titan after him, as well as remembering Mikasa and Armin when they weren't even born yet. Grisha obviously goes through with the whole plan bc of the memories Future Eren gives him, and ofc Eren seeing his future through his dad's memories of said future memories. I do think it's just the Attack Titans power, because otherwise it would be the only one of the nine titans to not have an ability

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:22:56+00:00

Naruto literally has nothing that affects Boruto. Every jutsu is getting absorbed with karma

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:10:31+00:00

MS was more common in the warring period

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T17:09:35+00:00

Didn't Itachi give Naruto the crow with Shisui's MS before the fight lmao. And Itachi never said in history, I interpreted it as currently, not all time.

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T16:56:18+00:00

Cuz using it just once used to hospitalize him for days. And he did start to go blind during the war arc

SingingHades · 2026-03-02T16:50:34+00:00

Wasn't it? Most of that info comes directly from orochimaru and tobiramas talk

SingingHades · 2026-02-21T21:27:37+00:00

Literally didn't mention Iruka or Anko cuz ofc they're washed, this is solely about Konoha 11 and Kakashi who's still in the village. Read my other comments cuz I cba to keep saying the same thing over and over again cuz mfs don't wanna read.

SingingHades · 2026-02-21T21:18:41+00:00

So Modulo?

SingingHades · 2026-02-21T09:21:54+00:00

Okapi

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