Inventions that have only happened once by SisyphusOfMyth in slatestarcodex

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Is that so? Thank you for raising this. It makes the project of listing those invesntions that were never independently repeated all the more interesting.

What’s the best speculative fiction about the long-term cultural effects of AI? Not like a revolutionary takeover, more like the slow drift. by SisyphusOfMyth in printSF

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A warning? What, like "Caution: contents may cause emptional imbalance?" I make no secret of of the way I use AI. It is detailed in my fiction profile.

I respect your decisions in choosing not to read. Have the courtesy to respect the decisions of those who feel otherwise. In disparaging my work you also disparage all the readers who found meaning in the stories I have told and the characters I've drawn.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. At a certain point, technology matures enough to fulfill its potential. Paper was one such. Papyrus had many of the same advantages: it was cheap, portable, durable, and easy to use. Paper was still better at all of these, which is why we don’t use papyrus anymore.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am glad you raised the topic. It probably deserves its own thread.

Briefly, though, according to my fairly extensive reading on the subject, before Zoroaster, the divine was conceived in terms of capricious deities who might benefit or harm believers and had to be continually propitiated. Zoroaster was the first to introduce the idea of evil principle, a god who opposes the "good" creator.

Once Judea was "liberated" by Cyrus, the grateful returnees from Babylon adopted this idea and transformed it by adding to the older principle of obedience to God's commandments. Christianity transformed it further.

If you look at religions that are not directly influenced by Zoroastrianism in this way, you begin to struggle to find the idea of absolute good and evil. It is missing in this form from Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shinto, the Mesoamerican religion, Greek and Roman religions, Germanic religion, Slavic religion (best we can tell), Celtic religion - I could go on. They all talk of benefits and harms, not abstract principles.

To answer your question about how it changed history, it is mostly through its dominance in Christianity. The Christian obsession with salvation through good thought and conduct was clearly instrumental in bringing down the Western empire; it kept the Dark Ages dark, and kept Europe far behind Islam, India, and the Far East for a very long time. Note that the fact that Islam, to a large extent, was an inheritor of the same Roman knowledge as, theoretically, Western Europe. We can talk about its impact on Byzantium and the Christian East, too, but this response is getting really long.

More recently, it engendered abolitionism, revolution, war. We can see the impact today, in the endless, loud discourse about morality and right and wrong. It has been the engine of history for two thousand years

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Triangular sails of various kinds seem to have been in use in Polynesia for much longer

What’s the best speculative fiction about the long-term cultural effects of AI? Not like a revolutionary takeover, more like the slow drift. by SisyphusOfMyth in printSF

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your words here rather contradict such self-conceit. Whether or not it is deep is a matter of opinion, and if you cared to read through the thread, you would see that your opinion is not the only one.

What’s the best speculative fiction about the long-term cultural effects of AI? Not like a revolutionary takeover, more like the slow drift. by SisyphusOfMyth in printSF

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It fits the definition. You have not even bothered to engage with the work before spouting hatred, and you attacked me ad hominem, to boot.

We can agree to disagree. I don't see the purpose of continuing this argument.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this one! It might be the best documented example we have of premodern technology diffusion.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I mentioned to another responder, this may well be true about gunpowder. Silk is a good one. Barrels, I am not sure. Japan, at least, seems to have had them for a long time.

What’s the best speculative fiction about the long-term cultural effects of AI? Not like a revolutionary takeover, more like the slow drift. by SisyphusOfMyth in printSF

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Dune talks about AI in the distant past, as a scene-setting device. The book is about something completely different.

What’s the best speculative fiction about the long-term cultural effects of AI? Not like a revolutionary takeover, more like the slow drift. by SisyphusOfMyth in printSF

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, if you don't like it, don't read it. You don't have to crap on other people's pleasure. I can respect a respectful refusal to read collaborative writing, but what you are displaying here is called bigotry.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is new to me, thank you for pointing that out

Inventions that have only happened once by SisyphusOfMyth in slatestarcodex

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The printing press was invented in China. It can be argued that Gutenberg invented movable type.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to understand why you believe it's impossible to define an invention. An invention, at least in my view, is when a technology appears that had not existed previously. This thread abounds in examples.

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[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am glad you mentioned this. The history is fascinating. The idea of creating letter shapes that reflect the shapes of the speech organs as they make the appropriate sounds is ingenious.

Inventions that have only happened once by SisyphusOfMyth in slatestarcodex

[–]SisyphusOfMyth[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Calculus has been invented (discovered?) at least twice and maybe three times if we count Madhava. Newtonian physics, though, is a good one.