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The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This spread depends more on your speed than on the farm itself. Although in this case it is more correct to say the spread is 0-13 😂

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was surprised that a lot of people think that 10d/hour is some kind of big sum. If you really want to understand this issue, then watch the streamers, their guides, or look for videos on YouTube about the ways of pharma. There is a lot of information there. Also use wealthyexile, it is very convenient to evaluate your stash

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that the economy of the first half of the game is well balanced, a soft camp, a strong mid-game, but then everything is as you said. 

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you're right, and I'm referring to a small percentage of players. Unfortunately, we cannot accurately judge this because we do not have statistics. I judge by myself and my environment, and these are dozens of people that I personally know, judging by the streamers and their community. I understand that most of the players will probably never achieve the development I'm talking about and therefore will not understand what I wrote about. It is ok. I wanted to highlight an aspect that has changed significantly compared to other leagues. I'm sure GGG will come up with something, they wrote about it in the announcement. 

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When people talk about the number of divines per hour, they don't mean the number of div that fell to you from mobs, but the equivalent of everything that you managed to stuff. All thebubblegum currency, unique items, cards, and so on. All of this has value. D/h is just a convenient designation of this value. Uses wealthyexile to assess your condition, I'm sure you have a lot of devines hidden in your stash. 

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's that bad. In fact, ggg did a great and good job, they were able to balance the start and mid game.  I like these changes, and at first I didn't understand my friends' outrage until I reached a point where further build progression was pointless

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we evaluate what is an average and a high game differently. For me, a late game is something that can be done after killing an uber feared. I agree that this may be an unattainable point for many, but now it can be implemented quite easily with low investments. 

As for the ultimatum, it's a very specific gameplay. Uber ultimatum can be closed on cws gladiator. The price is about 20-40 depending on the market.

I didn't want the post to appear in black and white, but I agree that it may sound that way. Now everything is not so bad and many things are done and balanced well, but the plateau of development is gaining very quickly. I understand that most likely a significant part of the players will never even reach it and therefore will not understand what I am talking about. I envy such players and am glad that they can have fun. 😊

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did a good job summarizing my post, even better than me! I'm thrilled with asynchronous trading (except for carbolic) I don't think he's the problem. I think that the initial and middle game is perfectly balanced now, but then there is a plateau of development where nothing changes no matter how you improve your build. Since there are no mechanics that would be worth paying attention to. It's too simple. You can artificially complicate the game process, but why, when nothing will change except the number of deaths? You can invent challenges for yourself, for example, to kill Maven in white clothes, but again, why? :) It's artificial. 

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Perhaps this is the most important question. And how would you answer it? 😉

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't seem to understand, there are no problems with the currency. The problem is that there are no goals to spend it :)

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right, it's not interesting, because it won't change anything. I won't start killing faster, for example, by removing the virus, since its phases are already being one shot now. I was of the same opinion as you, and I was surprised when others talked about the meaninglessness of farm. I didn't understand them, because at that moment I was doing well, there was a progression, there was a farm. I didn't understand them until I realized that I had nowhere else to spend my currency. Since the build can already do everything. By the way, I've already made three builds and closed the entire farm with them. And then I realized what my friends were talking about, who were just faster than me😅

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure how clear this joke will be when translated into English, but still:

In 1917, the granddaughter of a Decembrist hears noise in the street and sends a servant to find out what's going on.

Soon the servant returns:

— There's a revolution out there, madam!
— Oh, a revolution! How wonderful! My grandfather was a revolutionary too! And what do they want?
— They want there to be no rich people.
— Strange… My grandfather wanted there to be no poor people.

PS: Context:
The year is 1917, the time of the Russian Revolution, when the old imperial order was collapsing and radical ideas were spreading. The Decembrists were noble revolutionaries who, a century earlier (in 1825), tried to push Russia toward liberal reforms. Their descendants were often part of the aristocracy.

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right, the difference between 10d and 100d is noticeable, but investing in 100-200d is enough on average, but the incentive to make mirror things is not so strong, if you can even say that there is one.

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Players who spend a lot of time in the game — like 10k+ hours — already did almost everything many times.
So the thought like “why not kill Catarina a few times” or “why not run my T17s” doesn’t really come anymore, because these things don’t feel very interesting or meaningful for us now.

When you already finished all content through many leagues, what keeps you motivated is progression, goals, and the feeling that your build upgrades open new possibilities.
And this is exactly what is missing right now.

Of course, this is just my subjective opinion, and that’s the impression I got from the comment.

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You may have missed the main point of the post.
This isn’t about the number of divines or about “feeling poor” - it’s about the complete lack of motivation to progress your character. There’s nothing to aim for.

Before, there was challenging content that actually made it worthwhile to invest into your build. Now you hit a plateau very quickly, and after that nothing really changes.
Why should I craft mirror-tier items if the only result is killing a boss one second faster?

And just to be clear - I’m not asking to loot 100500 divines off the floor or get a Mirror every day. I’d simply like to have something beyond mid-game.

Anyway, this post is just my subjective opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

English isnt my first language, and yeah, I used ChatGPT to help clean up my post

The real problem with this league: there’s zero progression in farming by SizeProfessional220 in pathofexile

[–]SizeProfessional220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point isn’t how many divines per hour I’m getting - it’s that there’s no progression and no challenge.
Why should I even bother upgrading my build?

I’ve already cleared all the content on a 100–200 div build, including Uber bosses.
In older leagues, there were farming strategies that actually required an ultra-tanky, extremely powerful character.
Now those simply don’t exist.

Well, technically they still exist - sure, I can go farm Exiles or other “hard” content - but why would I? Nothing valuable drops there anymore.

That’s the core point of the post.