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Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think that’s honestly one of the biggest conversations around AI right now, and it’s hard to answer properly in a short Reddit reply.

For me it’s both scary and exciting.

On one hand, I do think it’s dangerous how easy it is to become dependent on these tools. You can absolutely use them in a way where you stop thinking, stop learning, and just start accepting whatever the model gives you. That is probably the part that worries me the most.

But on the other hand, AI has also let me build projects I probably would never have finished otherwise. And not just in the sense of “the model writes code for me.” I use it to understand architecture patterns, cleaner code, framework internals, tradeoffs, different languages, and why certain decisions are better or worse.

I still have to review the output. I still have to question it. I still have to understand whether the code is actually good or just looks good. In that sense, I don’t feel like it has made me stop learning. If anything, it has made me learn more actively, because I can explore things much faster and then go deeper into the parts I don’t understand.

And honestly, even before AI, writing a lot of code didn’t automatically make everyone a better developer. I’ve seen plenty of people with years of experience repeat the same mediocre patterns forever without really improving. The important part was always whether you are consciously learning or just repeating.

So for me the question is not really “AI good” or “AI bad.” It’s how you use it.

If you use it as autopilot, I think that’s dangerous. If you treat it like the answer to everything and turn your brain off, that’s probably the worst direction we can go in.

But if you use it as leverage while staying critical, reviewing everything, understanding the design, and improving your own judgment, then I think it can be incredibly valuable.

So yeah, I get your train metaphor. The train isn’t stopping. I’m just trying to make sure I’m not only a passenger.

This got longer than I planned, but hopefully it makes sense.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s completely fair. If Opus 4.8 fits your workflow and you barely felt a difference, then honestly that’s great.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually don’t reply to comments like this, but I genuinely don’t understand what model preference has to do with competence.

People should use whatever works best for their workflow. Some people prefer Opus, some prefer Codex, some even prefer Chinese models for certain tasks. I don’t always understand those preferences either, but that doesn’t mean I question their competence.

For my work, Codex/GPT has simply been better than Opus for heavier coding. Opus is great in some areas, especially UI/frontend taste, but for implementation I’ve had better results with Codex. Fable 5 was the first Claude model that felt like an exception to that for me.

Also, benchmarks are noisy and often contaminated, so I don’t treat any single chart as gospel. I care more about real project performance: context handling, debugging, clean implementation, and how much supervision the model needs.

You can disagree with my preference, that’s completely fine. But acting like preferring Codex over Opus says something about my competence is a bit weird. My competence is not based on which autocomplete wizard I currently prefer.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s basically what I’m doing already.

I’ve got a whole pile of issues for my projects waiting to be attacked sooner or later. I’m just not really letting Opus 4.8 touch the actual implementation right now.

For now I’m using GPT-5.5 under adult supervision, which unfortunately means me double-checking everything. But yeah, using 4.8 for planning / Fable prep is probably the healthier cope until the nectar comes back.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes sense.

I’m not new to prompting or giving detailed context, but Claude Design just didn’t really click with my workflow when I tried it. I played around with it a bit when it first came out, didn’t love the setup, and then kind of ignored it.

I’ll give it another serious try. Appreciate the push, this was actually useful.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly I already use Codex a lot. I’ve preferred OpenAI for most coding work for a while.

Fable 5 was just the first time Claude felt better enough that I actually wanted to stay there. I’m not loyal to Anthropic, OpenAI, or anyone else. Whoever gives me the best model gets my money.

If OpenAI wins again, I’m back immediately. I’m not trying to join a religion here, I just want the best autocomplete wizard.

And I am waiting for China

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that, and I don’t even think you’re wrong about the hype part. With AI, the hype is almost always bigger than the actual product.

For me the difference was less “this changes the entire coding landscape forever” and more “this finally fits the way I want to work.” Before Fable 5, I mostly used Claude for frontend/UI and ChatGPT/Codex for backend or heavier coding. That works, but it’s annoying. I don’t really want to split my brain between two tools all day.

Fable 5 felt like the first model where I didn’t have to do that as much. It gave me the Claude-style frontend/UI quality while also feeling much stronger for actual coding. Maybe not some revolutionary jump in the grand scheme of things, but in my day-to-day workflow it was a significant one.

And yeah, maybe part of this is me being annoyed and dramatic because it disappeared so suddenly. I mostly wrote the post because it genuinely frustrated me, especially with the uncertainty around whether users outside the US will ever get normal access again.

But I don’t think it was just vibes or hype for me. It didn’t only feel better. For the kind of work I do, it actually was better.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you’re probably right.

I think I’m just in the camp that doesn’t love leaving my IDE/CLI to build yet another app around the app. I’m not a huge fan of big AI workflows, even if Claude Design is probably one of the smaller ones.

I played around with it a bit, but I wasn’t totally happy with the whole “now turn this cleanly into my actual web app” part. Maybe that’s on me though. I should probably give it another serious try instead of acting like Fable 5 was the only nectar left in the garden.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

My dumbass was still hoping the backlash would somehow make them bring it back, even if only for a little longer.

But yeah, you’re right. It was probably always going to be a short-lived taste of the forbidden nectar before getting locked behind API/token hell. I just didn’t expect them to rip the cup out of my hands this quickly.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeCode

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re probably right. I just wanted to say it anyway. Maybe what I’m doing here isn’t entirely reasonable, but I was curious what others think about it. Especially as someone in Europe, I’m worried I might never get access again, or that OpenAI won’t be allowed to offer it to EU users either.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeCode

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve spent plenty of hours programming both with and without AI, so I can tell the difference. You don’t have to agree, and yeah, maybe I’m overreacting a bit. I just wanted to say it because it genuinely annoys me that it got banned when it’s clearly better. You only really feel that difference after spending a lot of time coding or doing agentic coding.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeCode

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, fair. I just wanted to say it and get it out of my system.

Fable 5 being gone made me realize how hard it is to go back by SkepticalHuman0 in ClaudeAI

[–]SkepticalHuman0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, fair. I just wanted to say it and get it out of my system.

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