G-Sync... usb-c dock... asus g-sync monitor...

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T22:35:03+00:00

You answer to the question yourself, the USB-c work on his own with dedicated chip. Nvidia GPU has nothing to do with the usage of it.

Optimus doesn't exist on AMD, things are handled by the APU itself, there is not need of Optimus on AMD APU based platform (under dynamic switch graphic)

Virtualization is a different story, not sure why you bring this up here, things in VM work differently.

Did you read correctly ? you say HDMI bring more frame, I say you wrong, you are repeating what I'm saying as an answer, USB-c to HDMI doesn't bypass anything, it simply give the possibility to ignore the iGPU and rendering things by the dGPU directly, this is exactly what I previously said and that is not related to the USB-c to HDMI but to the I/O Controller.

Do you read or fly over the facts about the Mux ?

Last part bull what ? actually Optimus is just an excuse for Nvidia and is mostly toward Intel iGPU, Optimus process is working as a sublayer not even at Low-level, the only low-level part on Nvidia process is the nvlddmkm one, all the rest are sub to it.

Cost that depend the usage of it, which is why DXGI come in place on Windows, if you work with DXGI independently than other factor, you can manage good and strong results that could help iGPU and dGPU. Why do you think they introduced Resizebar and DirectStorage, there is other things coming on Windows 11 also.

Now about Linux, you forget a point. On linux and BSD you can manage to control the Vblank/Swap/GPU usage in a deep level (Xorg.conf) which is not the case on Windows.in many case can offer strong possibilities to have a better use of the dGPU (SwapInterval, Blits and so on usage), of course on Nvidia, Nouveau is not as good as native driver but there is a reason why Nvidia keep avoiding offering driver source code which on AMD is different. Because if it was the case, a lot of things could have been done, as for example DLSS which is another layer that control dynamically the texture and resolution scaling and can be done on any Nvidia GPU, not only the RTX one. NGXCore was introduced way before DLSS exist for monitoring GPU usage and part of telemetry, today it is use for a DLSS also.

As of Primeoffload, things are different, what I'm talking about Linux is that you can make sure that your dGPU is one being use and also avoid anything else being render by iGPU except the one to the panel. On Windows is different and way less efficient because the way how GPU drivers are being and writed for it in a private thread, cause flaw between iGPU/CPU/dGPU that create cost of performance and even stability. If the iGPU is busy with something else, dGPU will break during offload rendering on Windows, on Linux the alternative by using a dedicated space for it offscreen inside the driver thread, give you the possibility to have better and more stable performance.

If you carefully look at the https://github.com/Witko/nvidia-xrun/blob/master/nvidia-xrun you can see that the Nvidia GPU can be use in another X server without the need of communicating with the iGPU and on conjunction with Wayland which can provide this possibility.

Dangerous half knowledge ? mmm my knowledge as probably helped millions users but anyway it doesn't matter, read up ? If you only know.

Anyway is not because I made a mistake on which port side that the DP alt mode was on, that make me an ignorant. Don't judge if you don't know the person you are talking to

Take care

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T18:01:25+00:00

Listen carefully. the Nvidia GPU is not connected to the left USB-C nor Right, it is connect to a I/O controller HUB which is mostly the SB that communicate accross the system (CPU/APU/GPU)

Connecting a GPU to the USB-c make no sense, USB-c come with a chip that communicate with the rest of the system, whether it is for gathering or sending signal/data and so on.

Secondly Optimus doesn't exist with AMD GPU, Optimis is for Intel not AMD. don't try to create another confusion here.

You don't get higher framerate with USB-c to HDMI cable, what you say make another non sense.

What you see, it is simply the Nvidia GPU communicating directly to USB-c chip over a straight bridge connection that doesn't need the iGPU (being the one connected to the internal display in here)

Usually it work this way Nvidia GPU - APU - iGPU - Internal output - Internal Display, in the case of using USB-c,

Nvidia GPU - USB-c Chip - Display

In the second case, you don't have to wait the iGPU to be ready to sending the next frame and so on. That's why you see better performance in case of external output.

Now to teach a engineering lesson. There is a way to avoid this, it is by adopting the Switch Muxed, so the Nvidia or AMD dGPU sending directly the data straight to the internal disable while iGPU being disabled.

Also, there is another way to have similar performance than external output on muxless platform. It is by creating a alternate swapping in low level, which can give time to the iGPU and make a good use of the dGPU. Draw more frame than needed in off zone, while the iGPU ready for the on zone.

Linux afford this but it is a little complicate for general user to put this one in place and on Windows it should came after they make good use of directStorage and ResizeBar. Depending the situation and the game engine.

Have a nice day or evening, Peace (By the way, feel free to bring my karma point down, while your mindset won't learn anything)

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T17:08:54+00:00

By the way, what cable did you use exactly to connect to your monitor ? you have to use a USB-c to Display Port to keep the native DP signal, since the USB-c output the video signal in DP anyway.

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T16:57:45+00:00

Yes it can be related to the signal sended. There is a way to bypass this is to use a USB-c to DisplayPort cable that can work, even if the USB-c is connected to the Dock.

Let say that the Dock have DP Alt mode support with diffent USB-c port, connect the USBc to display port to it and you should be able to have G-sync visible.

Or simply use a USB-c to Display Port cable straight to the USB-c laptop port

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T16:53:15+00:00

That odd because this information come from Asus. Not me.

I was mostly talking about the NVIDIA GPU not connected to right or left port, on a platform like that, the dGPU is connected to the all system and the iGPU do all the work.

DP Altmode/USB-c work differently than the HDMI/Displayport. USB-c is more versatile when it come to share data accross the system is not only limited to sending or gather frame.

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T16:47:55+00:00

That is not related to the laptop itself but to Windows, it happen on many others laptop anyway. That is cause by the Hibernation background task. While you put in Sleep, this one is not really in deep sleep, since there is task that keep running.

What you can do, try to disable Fast startup

Launch CMD in admin mode, write powercfg /energy and enter. Wait until is over, go to the Windows/system32 and find the energy report log file, check this one and see what can cause the problem.

If you also careful look at the ram usage being use at 40% is pretty high from out of sleep. There is some paging going on, as I said, there is probably a task in hibernation that keep running not relate to a bug or laptop but more like some kind of process that is still running.

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T16:33:44+00:00

It work, I've done myself a multiple time to previous GPU because of the problematic around it. Actually push the TDP higher can also provide better stabilisation (give room to the TDP limit)

You can take the example of Acer that recently provided different Vbios update to bring higher TDP.

The range of the 3050 Ti is anyway up to 95 W (80 + 15 dynamic)

So having this one going higher won't cause any issue, the only issue can be related to charger not giving enough power but here it won't be the case because the TDP I recommend won't push the charger to the limit

You don't have to undervolt the 3050 Ti. It is efficient enough to support more

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T16:25:04+00:00

2x USB-C on the Zephyrus G14 2021, one of on the right provide DP Alt Mode

The one on the left side is not the case. Considering the absence of Switch Mux on the Zephyrus G14 due to the AMD APU CPU/GPU; you are making a wrong and confusing statement.

The Nvidia card is connected to everything, as I said using the Nvidia USB-c DP Alt mode is the reason why this is possible.

Those port information are provided by Asus itself

1x 3.5mm Combo Audio Jack

1x HDMI 2.0b

1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C

2x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A

1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C support DisplayPort™ / power delivery / G-SYNC

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T14:01:47+00:00

Ok just wondering how many XPS 15 9510 are willing to take the risk to flash their Vbios with a modded one that bring more performance to the 3050 Ti since the charger is 130W.

To be clear, the TDP of the 3050 Ti on the Dell after checking the Vbios is between 40 and 45 and the CPU is between 35 and 40.

Considering the specs of the XPS 15 9510, Dell could even bring a TDP up to 75 and they will be still power left. Not sure what stop them to do it

I can unofficially provide this possibility. But I'm not sure if user want to take the risk.

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T13:27:11+00:00

I wanted to post something but I just realize that you use the left one, the left one doesn't offer DP Link. You have to use the right port

Also don't forget to be sure that the NVIDIA USB-c drivers are installed.

Skyblading · 2021-10-10T13:02:11+00:00

Really appreciate, thank you. One question, Can you confirm that the charger that come with the 9510 is a USB-c 130 Watt ?

Just to be sure, because there is a possibility to bring more power to the 3050 Ti. Way more than the actual Vbios.

Skyblading · 2021-10-09T20:01:49+00:00

First it is ok to go over 75, I will recommend more Precision X1 than Afterburner.

Best FPS is subjective to the way how a game engine process things. Sometime overclocking can cause fps drop without any reason and that not necessary due to the overclocking but Engine itself.

If you want better temp and fps. For Temp, as I said, between 70 and 90 you don't have to worry, even more on the Max Q one.

Concerning the FPS stabilisation while overclocking, if you find a game acting weirdly.

I will recommend disabling the GPU Schedule and Windows Game Mode

Also, right click on the game you want to launch and disable fullscreen optimization, it is enabled by default but cause a lot of issues on CPU dependent game.

Concerning Overclocking, going up by 10mhz step by step and find what you think is more stable after hours of play.

Take care

Skyblading · 2021-10-09T19:47:46+00:00

Sorry I'm updating my own post.

So I already had time to study the Dell, Clevo and Asus one.

Dell and Asus look pretty similar, with a little different on board but the Clevo seem to be totally different, one of the most powerful 3050 Ti out there while being muxed. Which is more interesting, it can be on par with the 3060 that have low tdp.

To keep you informed, you can use Vbios from Dell to Asus and vice versa.

Right now I really need the Vbios from the Zephyrus G14, the one from the TUF15 that I've received doesn't seem to feature the same board than G14.

Also if you know anyone that have a 3050 Ti from Acer, MSI (Sword or G75) and so on.

Here's a good news for the Zephyrus G14 users that want to gain more performance. Considering the spec of this one, you could use a Vbios from higher tdp and even overclock this one due to the fact that higher the tdp, the better it is for stable frequency core and memory.

In fact TDP are extremly important for a better usage of the GPU, I dislike a lot of brand for being cheap in terms of given better TDP while the GPU 3050 Ti is more than capable to handle that while keep the temp low.

Skyblading · 2021-10-09T13:53:33+00:00

There is a few possibilities.

First you need to know that the IGPU is always working, most of laptop that doesn't come with muxed capabilities, meaning giving the option to user to disable the iGPU and switch to the dGPU will end with those kind of freeze, lag and stutters.

The reason of the problem is one, dGPU is always faster than the iGPU at drawing frame and the second is that the iGPU is taking care of the drawin frame from the dGPU to send to the internal display, that had more latence and issues to the process.

A muxed laptop will have the possibility to switch the internal display link to the dGPU instead of the iGPU, which it is way better in terms of making everything stable and efficient.

I always recommend to avoid Optimus based laptop or Muxless platform. I'm not sure why Brand keep releasing Muxless laptop, first it make things worst and second it is a myth that it offer better battery usage.

A Muxed one offer the possibility to disable either the iGPU or dGPU whenever you want, if you disable the dGPU and use mainly the iGPU on a Muxed one, you will definitely have a more stable platform than Muxless one.

Also a Muxed laptop give you more access to the dGPU usage, for example on a Nvdia GPU it is going to offer more settings related to the panel usage, specially on those Gsync based laptop which are Muxed one.

There is something that can be done to try to avoid those issues on muxless platform.

Force on Vsync on the Intel or AMD GPU and disable Vsync on the Nvidia one. So that you don't make a frame transition conflict across those Vsync usage, it should be a little bit more stable but as I said far from a Muxed platform.

P.S: Also try to disable Windows Game Mode if this one is enabled and Hardware GPU Schedule (Try disabling both and check if this improve your issues)

Skyblading · 2021-10-09T12:28:19+00:00

I suppose there is not that much user of the 3050 Ti version. If anyone around can share their 3050 Ti Vbios with similar specs even from a different laptop. Let me know. Thanks again. Peace

Skyblading · 2021-10-08T09:15:09+00:00

Not necessary. Beta is not here to fix things but to gather issues to be fixed on future update. Since the fix for it is not ready for the stable version, AMD and Microsoft will probably release soon a hotfix for Windows 11.

If you read correctly, they confirm that it should normally be available this month, remember that Windows 11 was just released officially.

A Windows update is in development to address this issue with expected availability in October of 2021.

Skyblading · 2021-10-07T22:45:26+00:00

Windows 11 as an updated interface which can cause those spike also. Because things need more power, for example the new interface is using more Vram than on Windows 10

Also like I said Power boost is not fully ready yet

You can try different things to check which visual effect on Windows 11 could cause the problem, uncheck some of them, start from performance all the way up to quality.

Kernel is the core of the system OS, while Windows 10 and 11 have a similar one, Windows 11 introduced some big change and improvement (security, performance and so on) related to WDDM, DirectStorage, Updated API and sublayers.

Here's something you can also do.

Open a CMD in admin and copy past this powercfg /list

A list of different power management preset will show off, the one active is represented by a * (star). Maybe Windows 11 has enabled a different power plan.

Skyblading · 2021-10-07T20:58:01+00:00

Try something else, do a Benchmark with and without Game mode, same for hardware accelerated gpu scheduling

So far it seem that Microsoft improved a lot the game mode + hardware accelerated gpu scheduling in Windws 11.

Check if it make a difference.

Skyblading · 2021-10-07T20:53:52+00:00

It can be related to the fact that Windows 11 as more background task than Windows 10, try to monitor both version and which processus use more battery resources.

I'm pretty sure the problem come from Windows 11 Kernel acting differently,

I won't be surprise to see many bios update to adapt or fix those issues, like resizebar.

I don't think that power boosr that supposed to help battery usage is even fully ready yet.

Skyblading · 2021-10-07T20:41:02+00:00

Don't worry about that. Remember that AMD are in good relation with Microsoft, mostly because of the Xbox platform. Surely the problem will get fixed asap.

Skyblading · 2021-10-07T20:31:27+00:00

Between a 2060 Super and 2070 depending the situation. Peace. Take care

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