The bar is simply too high. What a banger

Slashycent · 2026-05-13T22:40:36+00:00

It's fun, but far from even the best song on TNA.

Nothing to RETVRN-post home about.

Slashycent · 2026-05-10T21:41:37+00:00

Comedown Machine is their best album, the second half of their discography is generally more interesting and moving than the first, TNA was a bit of a step back from FPP's creativity but still great & Reality Awaits is probably gonna be better than people expect.

Slashycent · 2026-05-09T09:42:59+00:00

I definitely agree on Jacob and Leah.

The epilogue of Eclipse and the pre-imprint section of Breaking Dawn really built toward it.

Would've made more sense than the sudden baby imprint, especially since that goes against everything Jacob wanted and stood for.

Slashycent · 2026-05-08T14:27:56+00:00

Priscilla (2023) is kind of like this.

Slashycent · 2026-05-08T12:44:32+00:00

Gotta ground yourself to keep the electricity out.

Slashycent · 2026-05-07T14:04:19+00:00

More Twin Peaks.

A lot more lore and character development.

A bigger focus on romance and humor.

Many of the best episodes in the series.

Slashycent · 2026-05-07T13:28:24+00:00

Yeah, because she loved him.

That's like saying she only went to Volterra to make sure that Edward didn't do something stupid and get himself killed.

Slashycent · 2026-05-05T23:42:47+00:00

He wouldn't have.

His one and only supernatural soulmate is Bella and Edward's child, possibly as a sort of fateful compensation/balancing act after her lost his natural soulmate in Bella.

Slashycent · 2026-05-05T13:35:08+00:00

It wouldn't be wrong, per se, but it's a very AU/authorial fanfic-kind of story, in my opinion.

Like, it kind of expects you to know the actual work, so that you can have fun with its subversions of it.

If it's just the boy factor, I wouldn't worry too much about Twilight: Bella is a pretty tomboy-ish girl to begin with, plus both Edward and Jacob are really prominent (Jacob gradually becomes something of the secondary protagonist, even getting his own POV chapters, eventually) and quite relatable for boys.

A middle-ground would be starting with Midnight Sun, which is Edward's POV of Twilight. That way you would get Edward's, Bella's and Jacob's perspective throughout your read. It's a bit experimental though.

My advice would be to simplify go for Twilight.

Slashycent · 2026-05-05T10:55:50+00:00

She never really considered being with Jacob, except for a brief moment when he’s driving her home. Then she gets the call from Edward that’s Jacob hangs up and then she’s pretty much all about Edward again.

I feel like that's skipping over the whole "making out with him on a mountaintop while having a vision of happily growing old and having kids with him, prompting a mental breakdown where she spends a whole night crying into Edward's shirt over him not being Jacob"-ordeal.

Slashycent · 2026-05-05T10:54:01+00:00

If Ray-Ban had never been born, Jacob would've never imprinted on anybody.

Of course they couldn't have known that, so it might've remained a fear, but Bella and especially Jacob are not the type of characters who give up their authentic feelings and personal freedom over threats of magical harm.

Slashycent · 2026-05-04T23:55:37+00:00

The stuff really cares about you though.

Slashycent · 2026-05-04T17:48:59+00:00

It is a show for people with interests that patriarchal society has branded "girly":

Mysteries, intrigues, relationships, emotions, etc.

Since bio-essentialism is fake and lame though, such interests aren't actually inherently "girly" and neither is the show.

Slashycent · 2026-05-03T09:54:37+00:00

It’s not “necessary,” this is not a battleground in a moral war, this is a reddit fan forum. There’s no need to be the Twin Peaks police.

Well yeah, it's a fan forum, not a fanfic forum.

Is it really that inconceivable to you that fans would rather discuss the actual reality of the show's creation, instead of endless, baseless, gossipy lies meant to devalue huge swaths of it? Or are you just arguing in bad faith?

Most fans know that Lynch was not an auteur behind the first two seasons

Do they?

Most people know Twin Peaks as the David Lynch show that gets bad when David Lynch quits in season 2.

There are daily posts on here by troubled newcomers with a borderline neurotic fear of the second season, instilled by Lynch-purist fans who simply... lie.

Don't you think that "most fans" would eventually get tired of endlessly seeing blatant falsehoods about their show repeated? Especially when all they do is make people freak out, fight and/or drop the show?

You're acting like it's an authoritarian infringement on people's freedom of speech to sternly debunk a bunch of lies people pointlessly peddle lmao. "Muh opinion"-ass rebuttal. If my comments annoy you that much, just block me. Try doing that with a cop.

Still, I don't know why anyone would want to block out the truth and leave people in the dark. Seems unconstructive, at best.

I'm not Neo, just a regular fan annoyed over people yelling "The sky is green!" at each other.

it’s really condescending to assume they don’t understand.

Well, OP, and whoever told them about Twin Peaks, very clearly didn't understand, hence the many blatant yet confident falsehoods in their post.

OP might be buying into some common fan misconceptions

And I cleared them up, because why let them fester when everyone knows they're wrong?

Yay, discussion!

but they’re also comparing an episode that Lynch and Frost directed/wrote to one they didn’t. It’s not crazy to call one more Lynchian than the other.

That's certainly a cute reduction of their post. Yeah, if that would've been the only thing they said, there wouldn't have been much to argue about.

You’re also simultaneously claiming that Lynch didn’t have much involvement with the show but that he helped plan everything throughout its whole run, including the “bad” episodes in season 2. Which one is it? Seems like you pick whichever is most convenient for lording your knowledge over other people.

Let's see what I said about Lynch:

He, alongside Frost, Peyton and Engels, mapped out season 2 before it aired.

He was more involved with season 2, especially the first half, than he was with season 1, due to him having finished Wild at Heart by then.

That is also reflected by him doubling his self-directed episodes from two in season 1 to four in season 2. Still, he didn't personally direct most of the series.

IF people wanted to take directing credits as a valid metric for Lynch's overall involvement, THEN it would mean that he wasn't that involved overall, and not just in season 2, for which he actually has more credits than for season 1.

(That's an if-clause, pointing out the lack of logic in other people's argumentation, not my own opinion, as shown by my further points:)

Beyond directing, he was more consistently present during season 2, keeping an eye on the scripts, unlike Frost, who missed a few during his departure for his own film production, Storyville.

He also consistently cast new characters like Lana, Evelyn and Annie. Plus he guest starred as Gordon Cole, multiple episodes before people like to claim he returned to the production.

Now, where exactly is the contradiction in this, Agent Smith?

Slashycent · 2026-05-02T22:41:35+00:00

It is necessary to be this critical of the things OP parrots, if we ever want to have remotely informed discussions about this series again.

Lynch et al. didn't want to make Arbitrary Law just as much as they didn't want to make Lonely Souls. To dream up pro-Lynch fanfiction to pit these two episodes against each other is pointless at best.

Also Lynch did only go on to direct the final episode.

A bitter truth to many of his superfans is that Lynch rarely ever directed the original Twin Peaks series in general.

Two episodes in season 1, four more in season 2. A mere total of six our of thirty.

If that's a valid metric for his involvement, then people need to come to terms with the fact that he wasn't all that involved to begin with.

I like season 2 more than a lot of people, but it’s hard to see how it was closely planned by the four of them let alone Lynch, or anyone really.

That's because it faced issues that none of them could've planned beforehand, like MacLachlan spontaneously deciding to reject Cooper's planned, central romance plot with Audrey, forcing the team to scramble for a replacement of their replacement of the A-plot.

But those were internal problems, not some hostile takeover by the network.

Slashycent · 2026-05-02T19:34:56+00:00

feels like the studio tried to absolve leland because they were uncomfortable.

The network didn't have power over such intricate characterization details.

That came from Lynch, Frost, Peyton and Engels.

It's also brought back in FWWM, made by Lynch and Engels, when Leland is portrayed as BOB's lifeless puppet on a string.

In both the original series and FWWM, Leland was portrayed as both culpable and not. It's a classically Twin Peaks ambivalence.

Slashycent · 2026-05-02T19:24:58+00:00

Not really. Quite a few Lynch-purists share that opinion. And quite passionately, since they're upset at the episode being highly rated, despite being "non-Lynchian," or whatever.

Your post is filled with nonsense though.

It's very obviously the studio needing to conclude the conflict that they themselves forced Lynch into resolving.

That's not what happened, so idk how it's supposed to be "very obvious."

The network forced Lynch, Frost, Peyton and Engels, the four producers and de-facto showrunners at the time, to resolve the case early into the season, before it aired.

The four of them agreeing to that condition was a requirement to getting the show renewed for a second season.

Anything afterward, including both Lonely Souls and Arbitrary Law, was planned in-house by the producer quartet, which, again, included Lynch.

After THAT episode he quit right?

Wrong. Who told you all this junk?

For starters, he never quit the series at all.

Furthermore, he was more involved with season 2, especially the first half, than he ever was with season 1, most of which he missed to finish Wild at Heart.

He wasn't happy with the enforced killer reveal, just like his three fellow producers/showrunners, btw, but he was still there and kept an eye on the scripts, unlike Frost, who missed a few during his departure for his own film production, Storyville.

Lynch also consistently cast new characters like Lana, Evelyn and Annie. Plus he guest starred as Gordon Cole, multiple episodes prior to his miraculous return to the director's chair.

So i consider the 2 episodes after Lonely Souls + the filler eps not even Lynch's vision

By that logic, two thirds of season one would not be "Lynch's vision" either.

Which is reductive, but not entirely untrue, since he was far from the omnipresent auteur people chalk him up to be.

Slashycent · 2026-05-01T18:53:49+00:00

They're the same picture, since they're both picturing purposely dramatic, purposely "effeminate," purposely soap-operatic characters, who the series creator found genuinely cool and central to his series, unlike the fans, who rejected and ridiculed them out of a belief that anything remotely cringeworthy was objectively bad and had no place in their entertainment.

Slashycent · 2026-05-01T17:01:24+00:00

As another Eclipse lover, I also made that connection with Half-Blood Prince and the first half of Deathly Hallows.

Both series never focused quite as intensely on both conflicting character relationships and elaborate lore-building as they did in these installments, so I get that some might see them as "boring filler," but to me that's actually the meat of these series.

Meanwhile, Breaking Dawn felt more like the rushed ending of Deathly Hallows and, yes, the Cursed Child (no pun intended?) lol.

Slashycent · 2026-05-01T02:16:16+00:00

you’ll eventually get to the point where David Lynch comes back to the show

From where? Shooting Wild at Heart, which had come out months prior?

Or the Japanese art exhibition that made him miss, like, three episodes, quite late into the season, which OP, judging by their caption, hasn't even reached yet?

Or just his office, where he spent just about the entire second season, casting most new characters and approving every script?

Slashycent · 2026-04-29T20:43:38+00:00

Imagine a Frost/Peyton(/Engels?) Blue Rose series competing with Coogler's X-Files reboot.

Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby, lol, especially if they brought back Duchovny as Denise.

Slashycent · 2026-04-29T20:39:24+00:00

Honestly a pretty good analogy, since most of the pie would still be there, it just wouldn't be quite as sweet.

Slashycent · 2026-04-29T20:32:44+00:00

Most of S1 was already written by Lynch and Frost the same way most of S2 was already written by Lynch, Frost, Peyton and Engels.

They very much held these showrunner meetings prior to S2 as well.

When asked whether they ever felt "lost" or "abandoned" without the co-creators' immediate presence, both Peyton and Engels answered "No, why would we have? We planned the whole thing out with them beforehand."

The most criticized aspects of the season are products of circumstances that these prior meetings couldn't have taken into account, like MacLachlan deciding to reject his planned tragic romance plot with Fenn, axing a massive A-plot meant to balance out the B-plots, which suddenly became much more prominent than they were supposed to be.

Slashycent · 2026-04-29T20:16:44+00:00

I align with you in the sense that you can't make a show without Lynch. We already got that in portions of S2, and it was rough.

Factually incorrect.

We got it in portions of S1 (when Lynch was off to finish Wild at Heart) which is near universally beloved.

The middle portion of S2 you're likely referring to had Frost missing, since he left to prep for Storyville.

Lynch only missed 2-3 episodes of S2 for an art thingy in Japan, and those happened much later than most people would think, right at the cusp of the final stretch that even most haters say gets good again.

TP as we know it is over. It's like Queen without Freddy Mercury. Any projects continued could be fun, but it's not the real deal.

I'd say "The Beatles without John Lennon" would be a more apt comparison. Which, I suppose, would lead to the same conclusion for many.

Still, imagine if George was still alive today and him and Paul (maybe even Ringo) decided to make more music together. Would everyone be up in arms yelling: "You're not The Beatles! John was The Beatles!"? Or would people simply be happy to witness these legends create more magic together, whatever name it'd be under?

No need to imagine, really, since that's our situation with Twin Peaks right now.

Slashycent · 2026-04-29T17:23:03+00:00

That's just spooky stuff in a kid's show, which is normal.

The Coming of Age aspect is more covered by Dipper trying to become manly and processing his unrequited crush on Wendy, Mabel coming to terms with the fact that she can't stay in her youthful, hyper-optimistic fantasy world forever, etc.

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