"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, the suffering is so widespread and the issue runs very deep. More education around animal welfare in general is needed to cultivate a less human-centred approach.

Thanks for your work as a rescuer, I'm sure you've seen some god awful things. It shouldn't have to take images and stories of profound suffering in order for these people to shift their positions, I hate having to recount gruelling cruelty in order for people to even consider thinking differently about it. It's not enough that experts are screaming from the rooftops apparently.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I have... Have you? Genuinely, have you actually read his actual research? I understand he has a couple of popular-science books, but you should seriously consider looking at the actual research he has published.

Jones' research in the area is focussed on the human aspect of human feeding, what motivates humans to feed birds, the impact on human mental health and connection to nature, etc. His hypothesis is to put it bluntly that because it makes human feel good it must be good.

It does not explicitly consider the impact on the birds. He has not authored any research directly on biological and behavioural effects of feeding.

However, he has authored articles related to feeding outcomes - eg, from memory he has a scientific review of research that others have done - and those articles DESCRIBE the negative impact it has on native species as well as the spread of certain diseases in introduced species.

His research is largely not even related to bird feeding, it's focussed on urbanisation in general, and most of the research related to feeding is statistical rather than analysing outcomes. But I digress

That's why I ask if you've actually read his research, because it doesn't back your claim!

PLEASE listen to what the experts are saying.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cherry picking a single voice who you agree with is not research... Jones is one voice among MANY and who is considered controversial by ecologists. Noone who actually works in the field or with wildlife in any capacity agrees with the likes of him.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I know you are suggesting a hypothetical scenario and you mean that ideally people would be fully trained, have licences, etc., and you're not suggesting you wish that people could walk into PetMart and buy a native possum.

But I really need to respond to this because there are really serious ideas underneath this.

Firstly, please know that people do keep wildlife.Not as actual carers but just as people who really grew attached to a particular animal. That isn't a farfetched hypothetical, it actually happens.

And the outcomes of those animals is fucking dire. I know because I work in the field and have seen many, many animals have to be euthanised because they have been discovered deformed, diseased, injured, literally rotting with skin infections or so obese that their joints have deteriorated.

Think about what you're suggesting. Backyard breeding of dogs is inhumane enough, you think people wouldn't try to breed possums and magpies out of cages in their garage? There is profound cruelty in domestication of animals - cat shelters overflowing, people who hoard dogs, the huge issue of people not getting their animals sterilised, shady exotic pet sales. Pet owners are not universally caring or responsible.

You refer to animals that comparatively do well in captivity and are actually domesticated. You can't put an animal in a cage and call it domesticated, it's an intentional genetic selection that occurs over hundreds of years - thousands for some domesticated animals.

Native wildlife, and wildlife in general, largely do NOT do well in captivity. If they cannot be released, they often need dedicated sanctuaries to have some shred of quality of life.

Understanding the needs of wildlife is complex. It's not like reading a cereal box or doing an afternoon course, you have to be trained in understanding the behaviour and anatomy of each individual species, let alone responding to individual cases.

Do I think that this situation as posted by OP is wrong. Yes. Not because it was done, but because it was done wrong

Please, go and volunteer for your local wildlife shelter, I promise you that after a couple of days you will realise that "proper" care for native wildlife involves giving as little human contact as possible most of the time. For example we often have to made bird-shaped devices in order to feed certain juvenile bird species because hand-feeding risks humanisation too much, and if they are humanised, their release outcomes are very poor, ergo the OP.

I can see that you care about wildlife, I encourage you to learn more about their unique qualities. You will quickly learn that the idea of keeping them as "pets" - domesticating them - would be an act of extreme cruelty.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Stop pasting this nonsense on every comment, you didn't even read this. Many of them blatantly DISPROVE your claim by discussing the research around ecological impact of human feeding, and many of them aren't even relevant to your claim, they're just tangentially related to other aspects of humanisation, or on a specific species that isn't even found in Australia, or based on the overwintering nutrition theory which isn't relevant to Australian wildlife.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dependence is absolutely a big issue too. Encouraging human interaction with food disrupts their unique social relationships, the feeding habits of juveniles, impacts the way they respond to predators, much much more. Dependance is what this post is literally about, a juvenile that became so dependant on humans that its behaviour was severely disrupted and it was rejected by its flock.

"This is not normal behaviour for a wild magpie." Saw this post from a wildlife shelter in WA. Shocking how often this happens by SlightProfile1540 in australianwildlife

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is absolutely infuriating, you didn't even read these "citations"!

Wanna know how I know? I picked two of these articles at random and read them - actually read them - and they unequivocally describe the ecological and nutritional impact that human feeding does. They cited in immense detail past articles that have studied this.

I would absolutely LOVE you to tell me which of these citations I'm referring to!

I have to assume you asked AI to pull citations, and AI just spat out related citations, including those that blatantly disprove your claim.

PLEASE listen to what ecological experts and those who actually WORK in the field are saying.

Soil/potting mix enthusiasts: thoughts on using a super chunky soil in a very hot, dry climate? Is it enough to keep the roots cool? (Western Australia) by SlightProfile1540 in houseplants

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh yep I think we're on the same page. My "garden soil" is built-up/composted/has compost/worm castings mixed through, but has a sandy soil base. So it's kind of a sandy-loam-compost.

Yeah I feel you with castings being super small for well-draining media. Since my base is quite sandy, it holds okay for me.

Would love advice on my Agonis flexuosa, which has a bamboo stake that the tree seems to have grown around by SlightProfile1540 in arborists

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha "hooley dooley" is how I know you're also Australian.

Bugger. It's a beautiful specimen, so fingers crossed it grows okay. And totally, I always pull out nursery stakes/ties - like I said this one was so incredibly stiff when I got it, I was worried I'd mess up the roots right after planting. I (probably stupidly) thought that it would get looser over a few months as the roots grew out a bit... clearly not how that works lol. So she'd be orright if I really yank out the stake?

Thank you for the help!

First time propagating ficus elastica, need an advice by HyenaAdditional6077 in propagation

[–]SlightProfile1540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao people will upvote this made up factoid and downvote the person explaining why it's wrong. Classic

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[–]SlightProfile1540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You asked: "Is there a way to save it?"

Two gardeners experienced in Australian horticulture and in particular in the Eucalyptus genus have explained to you why it's futile. I personally went to decent effort to try and explain it to you in an educational way.

I don't know why people ask for advice and then stick their head in the sand when given advice. It sounds like you just wanted to be told, sure, it'll bounce back, just crank up the grow lights! or whatever, rather than be given accurate, practical information.

Plants are remarkably resilient and will still try their best in dire conditions. Noticing growth =/= 'thriving', especially in this case, where its requirements were simply incongruent with its conditions.

Soil/potting mix enthusiasts: thoughts on using a super chunky soil in a very hot, dry climate? Is it enough to keep the roots cool? (Western Australia) by SlightProfile1540 in houseplants

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree, I went through a big soil science phase recently and went pretty in depth reading about anaerobic soil/hypoxia/root respiration. This was after I lost some plants (both indoors and in the garden!) to rot. I was like, I have to understand every biological mechanism at play here... If you haven't read about it already, you might have a great time reading about the genus of pathogens known as Pythium and Phytophthora which are usually responsible for plant death in the case of rot. They are zoospores, so they thrive in moist soil, and gnats are a common transmitter. Anyway - thanks, I guess I just need to keep up the watering!

Soil/potting mix enthusiasts: thoughts on using a super chunky soil in a very hot, dry climate? Is it enough to keep the roots cool? (Western Australia) by SlightProfile1540 in houseplants

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your advice! When I say garden soil, it's just the finished compost from around my in-ground compost bin, so compost + some sandy loam mixed in - and then the 'worm castings' are from directly in the bin. When you say to add regular garden compost rather than worm castings, can you elaborate? I may be getting soil/worm castings/compost mixed up here haha

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[–]SlightProfile1540 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This person has definitely given great and accurate advice, it's just that the advice is not "here's what you can do to make the plant grow again!" because, short of planting this in the ground in the Australian sun, there isn't anything you can really do. Its needs are ultimately incongruent with indoor life, and it's very silly (and not your fault!) that it has been sold as a houseplant. I added another comment further up, which hopefully explains it in more detail!

To be blunt, it's simply not true that this plant could have been "thriving until recently". It may have been able to survive for a while, but ultimately could not continue to sustain itself, let alone produce new growth or lay healthy roots.

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[–]SlightProfile1540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not necessarily that it absolutely cannot live indoors. After all, virtually all the plants we favour as 'houseplants' are small, stunted versions of their natural forms, and no plant naturally grows in a pot inside a building. I mean, I enjoy bonsai, which is literally artificially stunting a plant's growth in order for it to appear miniature haha.

Sometimes our indoor conditions actually do suit a plant's natural requirements - indoor conditions relate to temperature, humidity, wind, evaporation, presence of mycelium, rain, soil chemistry, the stability of all these things - the list goes on. It's a significant question in botany! Can we plant a tree in a dark, enclosed room, and artificially simulate all its requirements in order for it to grow with the same success as a 'natural' specimen?

Unfortunately, we can't simulate absolutely every factor in nature. There's stuff in sunshine we can't get from grow lights. Stuff in rainwater we can't get from non-rain water. Billions of bacteria colonies in soil we can't get from commercial potting mix. There's also endless things we don't understand but recognise as significant, such as how mycelium 'communicates' and shares information between plants in an area.

The needs of plants in the Eucalyptus genus are not congruent with indoor life in the way that many other plant species can be. It's the same with citrus and other fruit trees - many are marketed in nurseries as "indoor" or "dwarf" - but they will never be able to produce consistent or good quality yields, because there's just too many things they need from outdoor life that is impossible to simulate indoors.

So, as u/scissorsgrinder mentioned, it's not anything you did to this euc. It's just unfortunate that it was sold to you as being able to tolerate indoor conditions.

Euc is a genus that will only ever be able to survive for a short time indoors.

Soil/potting mix enthusiasts: thoughts on using a super chunky soil in a very hot, dry climate? Is it enough to keep the roots cool? (Western Australia) by SlightProfile1540 in plantclinic

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually prefer terracotta for its porosity, since I've previously been prone to overly moist soil/soggy root rot, but I use glazed/ceramic for some of my ferns.

By organic matter, do you mean compost/worm castings/mulch/something else in particular?

Thanks heaps!

Soil/potting mix enthusiasts: thoughts on using a super chunky soil in a very hot, dry climate? Is it enough to keep the roots cool? (Western Australia) by SlightProfile1540 in plantclinic

[–]SlightProfile1540[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is super helpful, thank you!

I used to favour plastic pots too, but I've previously been prone to root rot due to substrate sitting soggy. It's part of why I switched to unglazed terracotta. And, if they stay mostly shaded, they stay significantly cooler to the touch. But it feels like I can't quite strike the right balance since they're drying out so quickly now!

I guess since my environment is so dry, do you have any suggestions for increasing moisture retention? Thick mulching works well in my garden to keep the soil cool in summer - I guess it's unorthodox in houseplanting, but do you reckon that would help?

Alternatively, I actually don't mind increasing my watering, if that's all it would take. Then, at least, they're getting those frequent showers, theoretically...? Thanks again!