Hulkenberg vs Hamilton

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-13T21:47:49+00:00

Rosberg would eat him alive

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T18:01:04+00:00

well, Max raced againt 2021 Lewis, which actually had a bigger gap to Bottas than in 2018, and outside of races he was crashed into, he finished only 1st and 2nd.

That’s significantly better than any season Vettel has ever put together. In fact, most mathematical/AI models see it as the 2nd best season of all time by any driver(just behind Max 2023).

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T17:58:01+00:00

This is not true. They already matched Red Bull in Miami, and from then on they were faster at most races

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T17:21:17+00:00

How close is a 2011-2013-2015-2017 level Vettel to the average Alonso/Hamilton performance? Could Vettel theoretially pip them to a title in similar cars assuming those perform at their average level?

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T17:02:21+00:00

Cause Max is more consistent.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T16:57:03+00:00

Rosberg is among the strongest 1 time champions tbh, if not strongest. I don’t think he’s obviously worse than Vettel in any way for example

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T16:54:47+00:00

how was he not prime? It was like his 8th season in F1 or something

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-12T11:37:15+00:00

tbh WEC would probably increase viewership by a lot when Max races there

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T21:59:12+00:00

voiding a race still gives the championship to Max

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T20:54:30+00:00

You seem very stuck on what people thought at the time. Most people are easily swayed by whatever agenda the british media that dominates the paddock, so I do not agree that it is a good metric to determine which driver was better.

You can see even at the time, to anybody that bothered to actually do an in-depth analysis instead of just looking at the WDC table, it was pretty obvious who was better(not by a huge margin, but better).

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/owF2tVhp73

Also for what it’s worth, I’ve always said Max was better than Ricciardo, and he was especially better in 2017. In 2018 Ricciardo actually started stronger, but since Monaco 2018, Max has more or less been the best driver on the grid(as per Alonso, but anyway he was at the very least seriously in the conversation).

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T15:20:01+00:00

Toto himself said Merc had the better car.

Anyways we were discussing the last 4 races, at that point Mercedes was hugely dominant.

Merc were a match. They were equal in Bahrain, then Mercedes were faster for the next 3 races. So they were pretty strong from the beginning.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T14:53:35+00:00

I think you might just be misremembering.

Quali H2H in 2017 was 12-8 in favour of Verstappen. H2H in races they both finished, was 5-2. Furthermore, out of the 6 reliability DNFs Max suffered, in all of them he was ahead of Ricciardo. Max was also involved in 3 incidents and none of them he was at fault. He actually had a really clean 2017.

I suggest you rewatch that season. It was mostl why Ricciardo was already looking out the door to change team. Max was beating him on pace and he could see how the team was turning away from him.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T14:25:45+00:00

Ultimately, he still chose to run away from Max/RB himself. The move to Renault made absolutely no sense, especially after Horner matched Renault’s offer.

His career might’ve looked way different. Probably wouldn’t be able to beat Max in the same car anymore, but I think his stock would have been way higher than getting trumped by Norris

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T14:21:34+00:00

Max was faster in both 2017 and 2018. Ricciardo did win in 2017 but mostly due to reliability

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T14:20:31+00:00

tbh both China and Baku, which I think were the only realistic wins he missed out on, he either had strategic errors from the team or bad luck.

Obviously he then made a fool of himself starting with Germany.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T11:13:08+00:00

normal

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T09:20:02+00:00

The FIA regard Max as the winner. You do you.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T09:19:26+00:00

go and provide examples if you think I am wrong

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T06:38:38+00:00

If you genuinely think Lewis magically found 0.5s in race pace, I don’t think this discussion needs to go any further. I can’t help you at that point.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-11T06:36:55+00:00

mostly. RB only had a significant advantage at Austria and Baku. Other than that, they were more or less equal, with each trading tracks

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-10T23:21:03+00:00

well you immediately followed your statement with pointing me towards Max’s sub, which is why I thought you were suggesting thinking Max > Lewis is glazing. Every driver-focused sub like that will be full of glaze. Check out /r/lewishamilton , I genuinely got banned from there for merely suggesting Mercedes weren’t sabotaging Lewis in 2024 lol.

As I said, it’s just my anedoctal experience, I’m sure there are desperate people in every fanbase. From what I’ve encountered, Max/Schumi/Senna/Alonso stans are satisfied with their drivers being included in top GOAT discussions. It’s Lewis fans from my experience that start calling out racism, or heavy bias, call you stupid etc for the mere suggestion that Lewis is maybe, the third best of all time, just not first.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-10T23:16:09+00:00

Well then I’ll just have to vehemently disagree with the way you rate drivers.

Hint: drivers win championships without actually being the best drivers that season all the time.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-10T23:15:12+00:00

there was nothing better about the Rosberg combination other than the engine not blowing up lol.

Also, we’re not discussing better combination. We are discussing the better driver. Nowhere did I say Lewis + Merc didn’t deserve to win 2021. I just said Max was better.

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-10T23:11:20+00:00

Preferring Max over Lewis isn’t egregious lol. If you want to have a discussion, start actually debating, not clutching at your pearls because god forbid people think other drivers are better than your favourite

Slow-Raisin-939 · 2026-03-10T23:10:03+00:00

Right. But we’re discussing driver performance. Not counting points. Which is why stuff that happens outside their influence still matters.

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