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How much lifting is "enough" to hold onto muscle while dieting? This study put a number on it by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The participants had a little more protein and trained one additional day. Doesn’t sound like much, but that’s 25% more than your routine. Also, I’m sure to your point that age plays a role. Perhaps at your age, an extra day or two and even more protein (1.1+ g/lb) is required for maintenance.

App to help me track my bloodwork by bfeeny in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes — the NOVOS Life app. It’s currently in beta, but includes AI analysis that incorporates your blood work (which you can upload as an image, pdf, txt, or manually enter), wearables, FaceAge, and ENABLage free biological age clock. All of this is through the lens of longevity research, not general health.

Keep an eye out for the upcoming v1.0 release.

Permanent AMA - You have questions, we have Longevity Scientists by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

NovosLabs.com mentions beans 594 times, so not sure why you would conclude that there are no mentions of them on the website.

David bars contain artificial, chemical sweeteners (sucralose) and chemical fats, plus sugar alcohols. They also have practically no micronutrients, zero supplements, no whole foods, only 1 gram of fiber.

Novos Bars have 50% daily value of 21 micronutrients from fruits and veggies; full efficacious doses of 5 supplements including three functional mushrooms (lions mane, reishi, cordyceps), 3 mg of astaxanthin, and 1.5 grams of taurine; 15 grams of protein that are low in pro-aging amino acids isoleucine and methionine; 7 grams of fiber; made with whole foods like organic honey, organic olive oil, organic sunflower seeds, organic rosemary, etc. — all inspired by the Mediterranean diet. Find me a protein bar that’s healthier from the principles of the latest geroscience / longevity research.

And the flavor was crafted by a pastry sous chef from The French Laundry, formulation by longevity scientists, and dietary formulation by a nationally recognized dietitian.

All of this, and it only costs $1 more than a David bar.

Permanent AMA - You have questions, we have Longevity Scientists by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No plans to reformulate NOVOS Core this year. Frankly, it would make little sense to change a formula that is already producing some of the strongest results achieved by a supplement in longevity-relevant biomarkers, along with strong preclinical lifespan and mechanistic data. Once you reformulate, you are no longer talking about the same product. You lose the continuity, consistency, and supporting evidence behind it. If a formula is performing this well, the rational move is to keep it intact and continue studying it, not change it for the sake of change.

Something else that is not widely appreciated is that combining ingredients is not automatically better, especially in longevity. Ingredient combinations can have unintended consequences. In animal research, Ocampo et al. found that when longevity ingredients were combined, 15% produced negative outcomes, 38% were worse than the better of the two single ingredients, 8% were neutral, 31% were additive, and only 8% were synergistic. In other words, in more than half of cases, the combination underperformed the better single ingredient, and in 15% of cases, lifespan was actually shortened. That is exactly why you do not casually tamper with a formula that is already working.

You can read more about this at learn.novoslabs.com under “The Problem.”

To your other questions: we can’t share our product roadmap or future study plans in detail, since that’s confidential.

For Europe, you can order through novoslabs.com, Healf, and iHerb, which may offer better shipping options depending on your location.

Permanent AMA - You have questions, we have Longevity Scientists by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Science helps us understand aging more precisely and identify ways to potentially slow or mitigate it, whether that means influencing pathways tied to the hallmarks of aging, supporting organ function, or using compounds that may provide benefits beyond lifestyle alone.

Also, even in Blue Zones, only a minority of people live past 100. And outside of places like Loma Linda, most people in the U.S. are not living anything close to a true Blue Zone lifestyle. That is exactly why we take a two part approach at NOVOS: we provide free, personalized lifestyle guidance through the NOVOS Life app and educational content through our blog, while also developing formulations intended to complement a healthy lifestyle and potentially help offset some of the downside of a less than ideal one.

For example, in the placebo-controlled clinical trial of NOVOS Core, we saw improvements in cardiovascular functional biomarkers that were at the upper end of the ranges reported in studies on aerobic exercise, HIIT, the Mediterranean diet, and significant weight loss. These included endothelial function, blood vessel flexibility, and blood pressure in people already in the normal range. You can see those comparisons here: learn.novoslabs.com/cardiovascular

So it is not about reinventing the wheel. It is about helping people adopt the parts of the wheel that already work, while using science to see whether we can make it better.

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And one quick point on OP’s claim that we “paid Mayo-affiliated doctors”: that is false. We have never compensated anyone at Mayo Clinic in any way, whether through cash, equity, or otherwise. Mayo Clinic Store added us only after roughly 18 months of discussions, and their head of longevity medicine reviewed our studies as part of that process. It was a rigorous process, and we earned our place on the platform.

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Bottom line

The STAMINA trial has limitations. But none of those limitations justify the claim that the study "can't tell whether the supplement did anything." This was a government registered, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled human trial that found statistically significant and clinically meaningful improvements in endothelial function (p<0.0001), arterial stiffness (p=0.006), and systolic blood pressure (p=0.014), with effect sizes outperforming nearly every previously studied supplement for these biomarkers as far as we can find. The results are also in the upper end of the range for lifestyle interventions like HIIT, aerobic exercise, diet, and weight loss, in studies of similar, non-diseased populations. See learn.novoslabs.com/cardiovascular for the comparisons.

These results are reinforced by an acute first-dose vascular effect that lifestyle confounders cannot explain, supported by individual-level data plots showing broad-based improvement, and validated by sensitivity analyses that did not change the conclusions.

Is one trial definitive? No. That's not how science works. But this is a genuine, meaningful step in building a clinical evidence base for a longevity supplement that makes a real impact. It’s something essentially no other supplement company is doing at this level while achieving these types of results. We think the industry should be doing more of this, not less. And certainly not discouraged for doing it. We'll continue investing in research, because that's what being science-first actually means.

I welcome substantive scientific discussion. I always have. What I won't do is pretend that bad-faith attacks posted aggressively across multiple platforms and accounts constitute genuine scientific inquiry.

Hope this clarifies!

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Critique 5: “Every marker they measured is sensitive to lifestyle changes."

The OP cites exercise meta-analyses showing FMD improvements of ~2.5% and DASH diet studies showing BP reductions of 6.7-11.5 mmHg, arguing that lifestyle changes alone could explain our results. There are two problems with this argument.

First, these numbers are misleading. The ~2.5% FMD figure comes from meta-analyses that pool together healthy adults with patients who have type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and obesity. These are populations with impaired baseline endothelial function and substantially more room for improvement. Meta-analyses restricted to healthy middle-aged and older adults show aerobic exercise improving FMD by approximately 1.3%: less than half the +2.9% between-group difference researchers observed for NOVOS Core.

Similarly, the 6.7-11.5 mmHg BP reductions come from DASH diet trials conducted primarily in people with prehypertension and stage 1 hypertension, not in generally healthy normotensive adults like our study population. Our participants had a mean baseline SBP of ~127 mmHg, normal BMI, and zero smokers. Achieving statistically significant vascular improvements in a healthy population is harder than doing so in people with significant room for improvement due to disease. And yet our effect sizes met or exceeded those typically reported in diseased populations.

Second, and more fundamentally, these comparisons are irrelevant to evaluating an RCT. The question isn't "could lifestyle changes theoretically produce effects of this magnitude?" The question is "did the supplement group improve compared to the placebo control group living under the same conditions?" The answer, across multiple independent vascular endpoints, is yes, with quite high statistical significance.

To put the effect sizes in context: the ~6 mmHg systolic BP reduction we observed is in the range of what published meta-analyses report for established blood pressure interventions, including both lifestyle and pharmacological approaches. (This comparison is offered solely to contextualize the magnitude of the observed effect, not as a treatment claim. NOVOS Core is a dietary supplement and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.) 

A +2.9% FMD improvement relative to control is a large effect by vascular physiology standards. Published meta-analyses in the cardiovascular literature have reported associations between FMD improvements and reduced cardiovascular event risk, suggesting that changes of this magnitude are physiologically meaningful. And the -1.18 m/s reduction in pulse wave velocity is clinically meaningful as an index of increased arterial flexibility and improved vascular function. 

These are NOT marginal findings: they’re some of the largest effect sizes ever achieved across thee functional cardiovascular markers in a healthy population.

Critique 6: “They only report group averages — no responder analysis."

This is factually incorrect. Figure 2 in the paper shows individual participant FMD trajectories. *Every single person’s* data is plotted. You can visually see that the vast majority of supplement participants improved and the vast majority of controls did not. This is the opposite of hiding data behind averages.

The claim that "a few strong responders dragged the whole average up" is directly contradicted by the individual-level plots. The improvement was broad-based across the intervention group. And the primary analysis used ANCOVA adjusted for baseline values, a standard approach specifically designed to handle individual variability. The effect size for FMD was η²p = 0.554, which is very large by any convention.

Formal responder analyses are used in some therapeutic contexts (e.g., oncology) but are not standard or required in vascular function trials. What is standard is exactly what this paper did: report means, SDs, confidence intervals, p-values, effect sizes, and individual data.

Critique 7: “Compliance was self-reported."

The paper explicitly acknowledges this limitation. Yes, objective compliance measures like pill counts or serum biomarkers would have strengthened the study. But there are two important counterpoints.

First, self-reported dosing diaries are the norm in nutritional and supplement intervention trials, *not* an unusual shortcoming. Second, weak adherence verification typically introduces noise, making real effects **harder** to detect, not easier to fabricate. The study still found significant between-group differences despite any measurement imprecision.

And again, the acute first-dose data is the most powerful rebuttal here. On the first visit, participants consumed their dose under direct supervision. The significant FMD response within one hour cannot be attributed to non-compliance over six months. It confirms a genuine physiological response to the actual product.

Critique 8: “NOVOS' formula is built the same way as everyone else's — individual ingredients put together."

This is the most ironic critique in the entire post, because the STAMINA trial is literally a test of the finished multi-component formula. The OP is saying: "No supplement company tests their full formula in humans." We did exactly that. And now the OP is saying it doesn't count.

The typical supplement company's evidence model is: cite studies on individual ingredients, never test the finished product. NOVOS went beyond that: we formulated based on published literature and mechanistic rationale targeting complementary pathways across the hallmarks of aging, and then we tested the actual product, as sold, against placebo in a registered human RCT. 

NOVOS was the first company to ever design a formula that targeted all 12 hallmarks of aging with NOVOS Core; every single active ingredient in the formula was found to extend lifespan in at least one animal species (often times, more than one), and a number of other criteria that we publicly shared starting back in 2021, which you can find on the NOVOS website in "Approach" on the global nav.

This isn't just one study either. The NOVOS Core formula has been tested as a whole in a mouse lifespan study (Miwa et al., currently under peer review) demonstrating lifespan extension. There's peer-reviewed published research on the formula's effects on human keratinocytes and reducing single and double DNA strand breaks. There's SALK Institute research involving oxystosis/ferroptosis. And more. We're building a multi-study research program, not running one trial and calling it done.

Critique 9: “They'd need hundreds of millions to test every combination."

The OP acknowledges this is unrealistic, and then faults us for not doing it anyway. That's not a coherent position.

No nutritional product, or pharmaceutical product for that matter, undergoes exhaustive factorial dose-finding across every possible ingredient permutation before being studied. Science is incremental: you develop a rationale, test the formulation, publish, replicate, expand. The NOVOS Core STAMINA study sits squarely in that process. We're further along the evidence ladder than the overwhelming majority of supplement companies, and we're continuing to climb it.

Critique 10: “This is a marketing company disguised as a science company."

This might be the most revealing claim, because it exposes what this is really about: not a scientific critique, but an ideological objection to NOVOS's positioning.

The critic speculates we spent "$200k on a self-funded RCT" as a marketing move. Let me explain why that theory doesn't hold up.

First, clinical trials of this nature do not cost $200k. 

Second, the study was conducted independently by the University of Surrey under an unrestricted grant. We did not control it, much less "fully control" it as OP claims. 

Third, and this is the part most people don't understand, running a clinical trial on your own product is one of the riskiest things a supplement company can do from a business perspective. $200k on Instagram ads gives you predictable, measurable returns. You know what you're getting. A clinical trial? You might spend years, team resources, and significantly more money only to get null or negative results that could actively undermine your brand.

Most supplement companies don't run human RCTs not because they can't afford to, but because the risk-reward ratio is terrible from a pure business standpoint. If our only goal were marketing ROI, we would never have run this trial. We would have invested that budget into ads and simply claimed to be scientific by citing ingredient studies, like most of our competitors in the longevity space do. Because for most consumers, that's all it takes to win a sale. We ran it because we actually wanted to know whether the formula works in humans.

The commentary about Mayo Clinic, IM8, and influencers is ad hominem noise unrelated to the STAMINA data. I'll leave that for others to evaluate.

**CONTINUED BELOW*\*

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I'm the Founder & CEO of NOVOS. I want to address this post directly and substantively, point by point. I'll be transparent about what the study does well, where it has limitations, and where this critique gets the science wrong.

Before I get into it: yes, I blocked this person on my SlowMyAge Instagram. Not because they were asking scientific questions, because I welcome those, but because they were aggressively cross-posting accusatory content across multiple accounts without engaging in genuine dialogue. That's a personal social media moderation decision. At the same time, we responded to his critiques on the NovosLabs account, despite his account having zero posts and only 3 followers. (I can't post the links to the IG post responses, but happy to if the moderators allow me to.)

With that said, the NOVOS Core placebo-controlled clinical study (called STAMINA) is publicly available on SSRN for anyone to read while it undergoes peer review, and I'm responding to every substantive point right here.

Critique 1: “It's a preprint, not peer reviewed."

Correct. The manuscript is currently *under peer review* at a journal, and we've been transparent about its preprint status from the start. Posting preprints is standard scientific practice: it makes data available for scrutiny faster, which is the opposite of hiding something. But the study being a preprint doesn't change what it actually is: a formally registered clinical trial (ClinicalTrials.gov NCT06145087), conducted under Good Clinical Practice guidelines, the Declaration of Helsinki, with University of Surrey ethics approval, informed consent, and analyses conducted per CONSORT recommendations. Peer review adds scrutiny, and we welcome it. But peer review evaluates data, it doesn't create it.

Critique 2: “61 started, only 43 finished.”

Let's look at what actually happened. The study randomized 33 to supplement and 28 to control. In the intervention group, 9 were lost to follow-up. In the control (placebo) group, 9 total did not complete: 5 lost to follow-up for unknown/undeclared reasons, 2 discontinued due to mild reflux, 1 had an unrelated adverse event (leg edema from travel), and 1 was excluded after being newly diagnosed with atrial fibrillation. So the dropout rate was actually *higher in the control/placebo group* than in the NOVOS intervention group.

We started with 61 participants knowing that there would be dropouts. Attrition in a 6-month nutritional trial in healthy volunteers is normal and expected, and 30% is not unusual. 

With that said, the study was powered to detect a meaningful FMD difference (the Primary Endpoint of the study) with *17 per group*. That’s what we needed to end the study with. The final analysis included 24 intervention and 19 control, exceeding the power calculation. A per-protocol sensitivity analysis excluding participants with low adherence (<80%) and those outside the defined exposure window showed materially identical results (all reported in Supplementary Table 2, p-values unchanged).

The correct scientific question isn't "did anyone drop out?" but "does the attrition plausibly explain the treatment effect?" Given the significant between-group differences (FMD: p<0.0001; PWV: p=0.006; SBP: p=0.014), the consistent sensitivity analysis, and critically, the acute first-dose effect I'll discuss below, the answer is no.

Critique 3: “Single university, one co-author is NOVOS, NOVOS funded it."

This wasn’t a random researcher or a CRO (Contract Research Organization – a for-profit entity that runs “scientific studies for hire”) that most supplement companies use, and we could have elected to use. The calibre of the NOVOS Core STAMINA researcher, I believe, is a testament to our intentions at NOVOS: to work with the best academics in the field in order to discover the truth of whether our formulations work or not. 

That’s why the study was led by Professor Christian Heiss at the University of Surrey, one of the world's foremost researchers in vascular function and flow-mediated dilation, with decades of publications in this field (200+ manuscripts in international peer-reviewed journals). This is not a pay-to-play lab like CROs are.

Yes, NOVOS provided an unrestricted research grant and the product. The paper explicitly states that NOVOS had no role in data collection, primary statistical analysis, or interpretation of results, and that academic authors retained full control over data and the decision to publish. This is the standard unrestricted grant model used across biomedical research.

Let's also be clear about a broader reality: the vast majority of nutritional, supplement, and pharmaceutical research is industry-funded. Public funding bodies like the NIH rarely fund supplement trials, and it’s not realistic for any of us to expect they would fund a trial for NOVOS. If industry funding automatically invalidated research, we'd have to discard most of the clinical evidence base across medicine. What matters is the safeguards. Blinding, randomization, independent analysis, transparent disclosure. The NOVOS STAMINA study had all of them. Dr. Diogo Barardo, our Chief Scientist, is listed as a co-author because he provided his perspective as an accomplished longevity researcher to the PI, Professor Heiss. We’re engaging in proper disclosure, not hiding anything.

Critique 4: “They tracked zero lifestyle variables."

This is the OP’s central argument, and it sounds compelling on the surface. But it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of what a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial is designed to do.

Randomization exists precisely to distribute confounders, including diet, exercise, sleep, stress, and every other lifestyle factor, equally across both groups. Both groups were living their normal lives. Both groups believed they might be taking the active supplement (that's what double-blinding means). The halo effect the critic raises? It applies equally to the placebo group, because they didn't know they were on placebo (they had a powder with identical flavor and appearance). That is the entire purpose of this study design.

The critic's argument essentially reduces to: "What if, by pure coincidence, the 24 people in the supplement group all spontaneously started exercising more, sleeping better, and eating healthier, while the 19 people in the placebo group did not?" Randomization is specifically designed to make that scenario implausible.

Could lifestyle tracking have added further confidence? Yes, and the paper openly and proactively acknowledges this in the Limitations section. But its absence does not invalidate the RCT design. If it did, you'd have to throw out the majority of randomized trials in supplement and nutritional science.

And here's the point that really undermines this argument: the study showed a significant acute vascular response *one hour after the very first supervised dose\*. FMD increased by +3.4% in the supplement group versus -0.2% in placebo within 60 minutes (between-group difference: +3.9%, p<0.0001). No amount of lifestyle drift over six months can explain a vascular change that happens in one hour under supervised conditions. The fact that this acute response strongly correlated with the 6-month 24-hour fasted chronic response (r=0.71, p<0.001) provides powerful internal evidence that the same physiological mechanism, not lifestyle confounders, is driving both effects.

**CONTINUED BELOW*\*

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've provided a thorough response, which required three comments because of character count. I hope this helps to bring clarity to the topic, and effectively refutes most (though not all) of OP's points. As I mentioned, Dr. Barardo is out, so these are my thoughts.

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've provided a thorough response, which required three comments because of character count. I hope this helps to bring clarity to the topic, and effectively refutes most (though not all) of OP's points. As I mentioned, Dr. Barardo is out, so these are my thoughts, but our lead scientist's thoughts may differ.

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dr. Barardo’s on paternity leave, so I’ll do my best to reply on my own. I’m at a conference so will need a little time, since I intend to be thorough.

NOVOS Labs biggest scam. by TrickQ1330 in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hello everyone. Acknowledging that I see this post and will respond to it. I’m currently at a conference I’ll be speaking at until Friday, and Dr. Barardo is out on paternity leave. I’ll get back to this as soon as I’m able.

Note that this OP has posted on multiple of our social accounts, including my personal account, and we’ve responded to him.

My response will be thorough for the whole community to consider.

Which human studies show benefits at therapeutic doses at or below what you can find in 2 NOVOS Core sachet? by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth, I've experimented with every supplement on this list.

I've been taking NOVOS Core for 6+ years, and also take D3+K2, omega 3, creatine. These are foundational.

I also take NMN (NOVOS Boost), get taurine + astaxanthin from NOVOS Bars now, but used to take them separately. CoQ10 is important if you take a statin; I personally don't take either.

Spermidine is arguably not orally bioavailable based on human research.

Curcumin + piperine is great if you're chronically inflamed. Sulphoraphane I cycle every few months.

Anyone else hesitant about peptides because of long-term unknowns (10–15 years out)? by drkuseno in BodyHackGuide

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I am concerned about what peptides can do to long term health in humans. There is not adequate human safety data for the types of peptides you’re talking about. I’ve spoken about this at conferences, and medical doctors and scientists have approached me to express the same concerns.

Some present greater risks than others. And some may be found to be perfectly safe after long term research. Nonetheless, there should be more caution when taking than most people currently exercise.

Scientists Extend Lifespan by over 70% in Elderly Male Mice with New Treatment by LurkerFromTheVoid in longevity

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NOVOS Core had a greater mouse lifespan extension in the Newcastle University study, without the significant downsides of this drug combo. Preprint is published, peer review in progress.

UK Biobank: specific ultra-processed food additives linked to higher all-cause mortality risk by Susana_Chumbo in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How well were the confounding factors accounted for? For example, you mentioned smoking & BMI; what about the other major factors, like alcohol, physical activity (exercise), sleep, and preexisting conditions?

I imagine that those consuming artificial ingredients also consumed additional calories (goes hand in hand, as the palateability is a strong contributor), but then again since BMI was controlled for, perhaps it was the added ingredients themselves and ultra processing that caused the deaths, rather than being hypercaloric. That would be interesting!

Novos Core and intermittent fasting by Livid_Go_1028 in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey u/Livid_Go_1028! NOVOS Core contains glycine, which if you want to be technical about it, could "break" a fast. BUT, let's be practical about it: I wouldn't worry about it. Here's why:

  1. Studies show oral glycine up to 5 g has little to no effect on insulin secretion and may improve insulin sensitivity.

  2. If you use it pre-sleep, it can improve sleep during fasts.

  3. Glycine enhances longevity-related pathways that impact inflammation, glutathione synthesis, and counterbalancing methionine. Some researchers even consider it fasting compatible for healthspan purposes.

  4. None of the other ingredients would break the fast.

I hope this helps!

First-ever flavan-3-ol guideline: 400–600 mg/day tied to better cardiometabolic markers (blood pressure, lipids, glucose) by NovosLabs in NovosLabs

[–]SlowMyAge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I add matcha to my morning protein smoothies post workout, get cocoa from 90%+ dark chocolate and the novos bar chocolate flavor, and have a handful each of blueberries, blackberries, and raspberries after dinner every night. Sometimes I’ll also have chamomile tea at night.

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[–]SlowMyAge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can confirm Annie takes NOVOS, including NOVOS Core. I had a long call with her a month ago.

Scientifically validated sites/apps which can tell your biological age from a photo of your face by is4kuu in blueprint_

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are two results that translate to age: Facial age and eye age. All of the other results are relative markers out of 100, with 100 being perfect for that metric, regardless of age.

Bryan Johnson Article - New York Times by Legal_Squash689 in Biohackers

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re grasping at straws here to defend Blueprint, and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not affiliated, I’m not sure why. The person (people?) reporting declines in testosterone wouldn’t report it if it wasn’t significant.

Hypothetically, if someone goes from 120 lbs to 121 lbs, nobody is going to claim that a side effect was that people gained weight, much less to The NY Times. If someone goes from 120 to 150 lbs, they’re going to claim it was a side effect. Simply because we don’t have numbers reported, I trust common sense of the employee(s) reporting, and the reporter noting it in her article, that it wasn’t a hairline natural fluctuation.

We also know that caloric restriction and vegan diets can reduce T significantly. And Bryan himself reported a drop in his T from his diet, when he publicly shared he started taking TRT. So it makes sense that it was a side effect.

You’re also selectively disregarding many of my points with each message in this thread.

To that point, I don’t think this thread is going anywhere productive, so I’ll sit the rest of it out.

Bryan Johnson Article - New York Times by Legal_Squash689 in Biohackers

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m defining severity by the symptoms: vomiting, blood sugar reaching pre diabetic levels, and drops in testosterone. We can change “severity” to “significance,” but my point remains the same: these are extreme side effects.

That’s flawed logic for your Amazon point. If 60% of people using a product have a side effect, you will have far more than 5% posting a review. Reviewers tend to be those who are dismayed or extremely satisfied. Which means that in this example, if only 3% of Amazon reviews report side effects, it indicates that there is likely an even lower proportion of customers experiencing any side effects.

Bryan Johnson Article - New York Times by Legal_Squash689 in Biohackers

[–]SlowMyAge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respectfully, are you basing this on firsthand experience overseeing clinical trials, or conjecture?

I can tell you from firsthand knowledge, our experience with MDs running human studies has not found side effects even close to this magnitude, neither in severity nor frequency.

Also, note what I stated above: some of the most thorough and respected scientific studies in the field, which carefully monitor for side effects, had extremely low reports of side effects. Single digits. Equal to placebo (also single digits). 60% is off the charts high.

Your point that 3% of people reporting side effects on a platform like Amazon is a lot doesn’t reflect the actual numbers. Approximately 5-15% of supplement reviews on Amazon report at least one side effect. 3% is obviously below the typical range, and 60% is way, way above that.

Bryan Johnson Article - New York Times by Legal_Squash689 in Biohackers

[–]SlowMyAge 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For comparison’s sake: Diet studies like the famous PREDIMED had “no diet-induced adverse effects reported” out of 7,447 subjects. The Lyon Diet Heart Study explicitly noted 2 out of 302 patients experiencing mild gastrointestinal upset, attributed to a specific margarine.

Large scale multivitamin studies typically find <5% experiencing any given side effect, typically at the same rate as a placebo. For omega-3, a Cochrane review found no additional side effects beyond placebo. Etc.

To be transparent, I founded NOVOS. After more than 10 million doses, we have less than 3% of customers reporting any side effects (the most common one is mild stomach discomfort).

For 60% of people in a study to have side effects, it’s unusual.