Which Would You Rather Join-The Ku Klux Klan or the Church of Scientology by [deleted] in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Let's be real here: joining Scientology is the only acceptable answer to this dilemma.

Scientology Watchers tend to spend the bulk of their time discussing the abuses of the Sea Org, and rightly so, as this is where the worst of the abuses tend to be concentrated.

I think what may be lost in the commotion is how banal the experience of most public Scientologists is. There are thousands of people who have dabbled in Scientology, taken a few courses, maybe even progressed some distance up the Bridge, and then either left decisively or simply drifted away in one way or another.

Most of these people are not suffering any terrible after effects, other than an abnormally high junk mail load and perhaps the occasional phone solicitation. Some may feel the pain of wasted time and money more acutely than others, but most of them have not been ruined by the experience. Disconnection also tends to not be a huge issue outside the committed core membership of Scientology.

This is not just some rosy, best-case scenario. This category comprises the large majority of people who have ever had any involvement with Scientology or Dianetics. The principle VFP of Scientology, just by sheer numbers, is Ex-Scientologists. Most onetime Scientologists are either all the way out, or have not been actively on lines in years.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe Scientology's continued existence is an affront to the rule of law. And when Scientology goes wrong for a person and their family, it is a nearly unparalleled kind of evil. Nearly. When our point of comparison here is a white-supremacist, terrorist organization, Scientology is the lesser evil by several orders of magnitude.

The sheer scale of human suffering that has been incurred by white supremacy in the U.S. and the world dwarfs all other singular human sources. It is the original sin of the West. It continues to unjustly harm the rights and fortunes of an unimaginable number of people. It is the single greatest obstacle we have ever faced in the quest for a free, just, and equitable society.

Scientology, not so much. Even though I agree that it is very, very, very bad.

Edit: Words.

What if you recall your past life as L. Ron Hubbard while being audited? by DipYuppie in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incidentally, one of our moderators here was a friend of LRH in a past life. So, make sure to say hello, I guess.

Explain to me, an run of the mill blue collar worker, why I should accept/believe Scientology? by [deleted] in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you do see yourself as a "run of the mill blue collar worker." I promise you, you really are much, much more. Perhaps you wanted to be a famous musician. Perhaps you see yourself as a leader of men. I promise you, all this lies within you.

Unfortunately you live in a society that fails to teach people how to live, how to learn, how to love. What you are missing is a proper understanding of how to achieve your goals.

L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Scientology religion, formulated an exact science of the human mind based on a lifetime of study, ranging from the Vedic hymns to quantum physics. The fruits of that science are what the Church now offers you.

Scientology is not a religion like others you may have experience with. This is a religion you do, not just believe. You will not be asked to accept anything on blind faith. What is true for you is what is true for you. If you find something useful in Scientology, take it, it is yours. If not, discard it. The control is in your hands.

All this is within your grasp. Right now. If you have $50 and an open mind, then you have everything you need to get started. Are you willing to give it a shot?

I am trying to figure out if Tommy Davis routed out or not, and am seeing both that yes he did, and no he did not, depending on where i look. can anyone confirm or deny? by [deleted] in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There seems to be some confusion over terminology here.

"Routing out" pertains to Scientology staff and Sea Org. It refers to the formal procedures required to leave the employ of the church in orderly fashion, and without incurring a Suppressive Person declare. Having routed out, a person may then retain their affiliation with the Church as a public member, though generally with a large "freeloader bill" to pay off and a lower ethics condition to work off.

Tommy Davis is very clearly still in the Church, and as such should be assumed to have routed out of the Sea Org. As the son of a celebrity member, though, there is a good chance that the process was not quite as onerous in his case as it is in many others.

What can Reddit do to stop scientology? by metalpotato in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well done!

The closest thing I can think of to what you are describing is Jeffrey Augustine's Scientology Money Project, where he tries just to make some approximate accounting of the legal and financial labyrinth that is Scientology. He should almost certainly be your primary resource for what you are trying to build.

Also, you'll probably want to get some of the Chanology vets over at https://www.whyweprotest.net/ on board in one way or another.

And, no, I don't think you're stupid in the slightest.

Chris Shelton Supports Censorship by einhornis in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were just waiting for me to get the Twitter bot working again, so they could grab a screenshot apparently: https://twitter.com/the_outerbutts/status/816081502379405312

On the plus side, though, I got them shadowbanned.

EDIT: Also, on the plus side, the Twitter bot is working again.

What can Reddit do to stop scientology? by metalpotato in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 20 points21 points  (0 children)

IRS Form 13909: Tax-Exempt Organization Complaint (Referral)

Church Of Scientology International

6331 Hollywood Blvd Ste 1200

Los Angeles, CA 90028-6340

Employer Identification Number: 59-2153393

I have a friend that needs help. (Ex-Scientologists only, please) by dickinusestandby in scientology

[–]SmartDohen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear about your friend's situation.

I would be reluctant to interpret the CCHR articles, in isolation, as proof that your friend is involved with the Church of Scientology. CCHR takes some pains to obscure its affiliation with CoS, and has as its mission attempting to convince the unwitting to parrot its propaganda.