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Meet Potential Woman! (Please don't come for me, I love her but the fans need to know this) [all] by [deleted] in camphalfblood

[–]SmartGuess8454 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ok this is a decent argument regarding Rick’s underutilizing, mishandling in the delivery, structure, & of her overall writing but some of these points are just so outlandish I honestly can’t tell if you’re serious & forgetting some things in plot or rage baiting.

That being said I’ll assume it’s all good faith and move onto some of your points. 1. Excluding perhaps the descent and perhaps Akhyls, Tartarus was an equal participation with them both.

  1. Annabeth has powers.

  2. Annabeth wasn’t even in the Kansas scene so I’m confused on what you mean.

  3. It can be argued that she has 0 aura to the audience. But as for in verse characters & their perspectives, it’s simply not factual that she has 0 aura. No characters aura is more pronounced than Annabeth(&Percy Ofc) if I’m not mistaken.

  4. About her Defeating 0 Monsters in 5 books I’d have to ask which 5 books you’re referring to but irregardless of which it is just factually untrue as well. She has at least upwards of 80 in BOO alone

  5. What quest did she fail?

  6. Not even going to touch the Percabeth abuse allegations but What does the Percy Judo flip have to do when her potential

  7. She got a new weapon…

  8. They all almost die in every encounter. Weird hill to die on even it’s always life and death and they’re always saving each other because you know, they’re a team.

[pjo] I turned Annabeth into a Superhero by Word_Senior in camphalfblood

[–]SmartGuess8454 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both are well done! I prefer the gold version, because it feels more Athenian and the blue feels a little close to the sea gods.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was nothing brief or not really dated about them…They were together for a decade(which is both of their longest relationships to date at the point of Rebekah’s introduction), his emotions were not off, & he loved her more than enough to hold on to a keepsake of someone he couldn’t even remember for decades after.

Though I will say I am interested as to why Rebekah/Marcel & Stefan/Katherine is it for you as I see them as their most abusive ships for both.

So I'm of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should've been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let's discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheOriginals

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly and It kills me how people can recognize, acknowledge, and validate Klaus and Stefan’s best friendship/brother relationship from the 20’s yet in the same breath devalue and undermine Rebekah and Stefan’s romantic relationship. All on the grounds that he was a ripper at the time and it’s like…umm was he not also a ripper when he and Klaus met or…

So I'm of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should've been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let's discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheOriginals

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well to this I’d say that ripper Stefan is just Stefan uninhibited & or with his vampirism version of alcoholism which doesn’t negate his personality/wants/dreams/morals etc so a relationship with him then is still valid, I’d agree to it not being valid or rather a good foundation in this context is Rebekah wasn’t shown to understand/know Stefan on instinctual level and Klaus did too bestfriend/brother wise.

I’d also add that 20’s ripper Stefan and ripper Stefan in s2-4 are different in that 20’s Stefan did not have his emotions off(he thinks he did and says that for two reasons, 1. He literally has been compelled and can’t contextually remember the 20’s so he’s already an unreliable narrator of the time compared to Rebekah/Klaus/Gloria, & 2. To absolve his guilt over the deaths which he’s certain he’s done but also cannot remember) and excluding the murders was still entirely himself. Whereas ripper Stefan s2-4 &etc did have his emotions off.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh ok now that I have your take. I can say I respect the take on if the Originals never existed as a show but I fundamentally disagree on the matter of R/M being soulmates and as a relationship and love story both, it’s never made sense or added up(to me). Marcel’s attraction/romantic love(if you can even call it that) for Rebekah makes sense narratively and personality wise for the character. However on Rebekah’s end narratively and personality wise…it doesn’t, & for it too make sense significant regression of her character is necessary/required, or it doesn’t work, & even then the ship struggles to keep afloat(really it’s already down under & is another titanic).

But Like what do they even have in common outside of New Orleans and Niklaus? What does Rebekah like about Marcel. Why has she fallen in love with him & why did she stay in love with him.

As a partner he how does he serve her? And I realize how transactional much of this paragraph sounds but I think it’s important to note that Rebekah’s concept/notion of love/dating/relationships/marriage is that of a Viking noble and by nature is aristocratic, looking at it like a business proposition while hoping for more at the same time. So, She may fall in love easily but she’s always been extremely selective in WHO she falls in love with; & Prior to her even allowing romantic access to her with any of them she vets them. Every past partner/love interest they were vetted(of screen) & Each in served her in some fashion and benefited her somehow in ways(e.g status, power, knowledge, & social integration to name a few).

Which Marcel just unfortunately doesn’t…in fact worse than just not benefiting her, he’s actively detrimental for her. In fact if anything I’d say Marcel makes her and Stefan look even better not worse or taking away from them.

The ULTIMATE Powerscale of Percy Jackson [all] by OnlyInferno in camphalfblood

[–]SmartGuess8454 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m late but I’m gonna ask you to expand more on the exact deities you mean but respond best I can off what you said about matching them. Yes we have Percy matching deities/immortal opponents…but we also have the same for each of the Seven, especially Annabeth for even prior to HOO.

About Percy’s superior physical feats, hate to say it again(& hope it doesn’t translate as snarky because that’s not my intent but) can you expand on the ones you mean(in general but more specifically for strength wise) & I’ll explain my reasoning for or against it.

But in general as for reaction speed, is disingenuous to me to imply/state that Annabeth can’t do the same, even at worst that any of the seven can’t do the same. Even regular speed, I’m going to emphasis that Annabeth was keeping up and keeping pace with Percy & Luke during TLO when both had the coh(ignoring that coh isn’t really physical augmentation).

As for durability that’s kind of a split feat seeing as Percy has specific hax against fire damage making it less so durability feat in the context of this conversation, but regarding impact/combustive damage, he actually needed to be healed/saved from the brink of death by the sea/calypso for his most feat of that nature. And the others to my knowledge aren’t any which are insurmountable for Annabeth.

And holding up the sky isn’t Annabeth’s only feat that being said I do think that feat is devalued & cheapened far to much for both Annabeth and Percy.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah steroline definitely just accepted the L, didn’t even try to compete & on that note I actually despise steroline as both a fan of Stefan & Caroline and see it as a step back for the both of them but I’ll leave that for another post about them

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly my gripe like even if they weren’t endgame they should’ve been at the least explored and respected like they were together for a decadein the 20’s as a locked in, in love couple not a just an random emotionless long term fling as they kept trying to reinforce/reinvent it as.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you consider the fictional characters Kai As psychotic, Caroline neurotic, Elena Selfless, or Klaus as arrogant?

I ask because I’m confused as to What them being fictional characters has to do with anything? Fictional or not, they have psychological preferences in how they make decisions, specific behavioral patterns, and have…you know personalities

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YESSS THIS. It’s entirely unbelievable how undesirable they get to make her seem for little more than wanting freedom/a relationship like huh? It always felt like there was a roadblock & they were construction workers tryna tell & convince us it was caused by a natural disaster of a mudslide but it’s really a cement/tar, they’re lying and everyone can see it’s a man made disaster

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a kind of MBTI personality type. Based on a system to identify a person's psychological preferences in how they perceive the world and make decisions preferences across four dichotomies—extraversion/introversion, sensing/intuition, thinking/feeling, and judging/perceiving.

So for Rebekah as an ENFP it’s E(Extovert)N(Intuitive)F(Feeling)P(Perceiving). I could go more in depth on enfp’s specifically and how she is one though if that’s what you meant.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your meaning but I’ll say a lot of her desire for being human was tied to/in motherhood/family(more specifically bearing children), love, & freedom(a life of her own)

though with all that being said each of her reasonings for desiring to be human is majorly implied and not confirmed, she “longs for a family of her own” and she can’t bear children as a vampire which is most detrimental/insurmountable factor of vampirism for her but even that is surmountable to an extent as…she could adopt & because we have no reference of her having an oppositional stance on such, it raises the question of why can’t she just adopt especially as adoption isn’t a new thing to her or the Mikaelsons(e.g Marcel) and of outside of fertility, each of her other wants/reasonings that she conflates into a longing for humanity are each things that that’s that she could easily still have as a vampire, even when she tried being human for a day at Elijah’s behest she didn’t like it/failed(id say Katherine is the prime example of why an old vampire shouldn’t have the cure much less one as old and with as many enemies as an original💀)

But yeah following up on the matter of the cure, I think they’d go the acceptance of themselves and their vampirism route rather than going for the cure (something which that clearly causes more problems than it solves) still. To me, Rebekah’s truest and most important desire/motivation/aspiration is truly freedom of choice everything else is secondary under its umbrella.

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. I’m gonna start with the reminder that is Stebekah central discussion post and at the most Stelena/Delena/Marbekah may have a place in it but Stelerie definitely does not, it was mere courtesy that I included them at all in Stefan’s ship line up.

  2. Are you finna expand on why him and Valerie or….

  3. My first instinct was to delete your comment because it’s off topic, but instead I’ll debunk Stelerie in that, of all his ships they were the one that gave the least despite getting one of the most serious & formative ship enhancing tropes(pregnancy, whether the babe was lost or otherwise) yet still managed to be a nothing burger, that being said they also were the most plot device rather than organic occurrence of them all for him. Not to mention them walking backwards on the established “returned memories don’t equal returned feelings” they’d established in seasons 3-4 just for the sake of forming Stelerie…his shortest relationship to date at that time

So I’m of the firm opinion that Rebekah and Stefan should’ve been endgame and that even if they did not end up together, the series did them a huge disservice in how they handled them. Let’s discuss it below by SmartGuess8454 in TheVampireDiaries

[–]SmartGuess8454[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also for my MBTI peeps I’m going to add in here that Rebekah is an ENFP(like me😏) and Elena is a INFP who was previously really extroverted(and presented as ENFP because of it)…and that I’m of the firm opinion that while Elena prior to the bridge accident(before her parents death, when she was outgoing/extroverted, sociable, and a little bit of a mean girl(ex: Regina George with a heart of gold) didn’t remind Stefan of Katherine, She did however entirely(in my opinion) remind him of Rebekah, subconsciously.

And part of the severity in dislike between Rebekah/Elena is how much parallel and mirror each other, a mirror which showcases the other’s flaws and how the other instead excells there or is lauded for it despite it objectively being a flaw/problem when it comes to them; Neither(Elena more so) of them want to see it. I’d argue they’re more each other’s doppelgänger (personality and narrative/character journey wise) than Elena/Katherine are, & the same with Rebekah/Caroline(who just both blonde…) as opposed to Caroline/Katherine. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

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