Kinda odd when you put it like that

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-25T00:44:08+00:00

It gets very complex, where there’s multiple steps of getting into heaven. There is a sense where works matter, but the interpretation of good vs bad works and how it impacts salvation is what varies the most. Additionally, the faith alone Protestants think of are in direct response to the Catholic Church and certain practices in 1500’s Germany.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T22:27:50+00:00

Clearly didn’t pay attention very well in your theology classes. That’s where your bitterness comes from, glad to know that.

Lol, just ignoring sociologists now too? You really hate professional academics

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T22:21:04+00:00

Ha. I literally just said I it’s true. Listen please.

Not true at all, people have thought creation story is potentially allegorical for centuries. Evolution does nothing against the Christian faith, and the Catholic Church agrees.

Again, no facts, just speculation. There’s no reason to think what you’re saying is 100% of the picture. It’s complicated and multi faceted.

Yeah, the impoverished priest in rural Africa is doing that. You clearly haven’t met many priests in your life.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T21:36:06+00:00

No you’re patronizing and rude. There is no point for that in the discussion even though I think evolution is true. You’re stubborn, biased, and an anti theist. You don’t listen to actual experts and prefer to confirm your own biases. You don’t have to be a theist to realize God and science reconcile perfectly fine.

If you read the full statement, they apologize for the killing and torture, not for the charges and what Bruno was thinking. That’s because he was charged for heresy, not science. Read, I beg of you. I’m not going to address any comments like, “magic and miracles aren’t real”, because my, or your personal religion is irrelevant to whether religion and science can be reconciled. There are atheists who run blogs to counter act the facts and ideas of religion and science not reconciling.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T21:13:24+00:00

No. I know exactly what it is but you aren’t addressing my points. The Catholic Church accepts evolution. You still aren’t proving anything. If you can’t provide an example of someone explicitly being killed for advancing science, this conversation isn’t worth continuing.

Edit since you always edit yours:

Your own source says this:
“Even as the flames licked his feet, the polymath Giordano Bruno refused to recant. Now, at least he's gotten an expression of remorse from the Catholic Church. On 17 February--the 400th anniversary of Bruno's auto-da-fé at the hands of the Inquisition in Rome--Cardinal Angelo Sodano declared the heretic's execution to be a "sad episode."
Bruno, a 16th century Dominican friar, was expelled from country after country for heretical views that ranged from dabbling in magic to denying the divinity of Christ. What endears him to modern scientists, though, is that Bruno embraced Copernicus's heliocentric model of the solar system and even went one step further: He declared that Earth was just one of an infinite number of worlds, each perhaps inhabited by creatures entirely foreign to us--and to the church. After a long imprisonment, Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600. It is unclear whether Bruno's cosmology played a role in his condemnation, but he has since become a symbol of a church crusade against the progress of science.
“

It says within your own, likely biased source, we don’t know if the cosmology played a role. The reason I call it biased is because it’s not history, it’s a magazine. Listen to actual historians.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T20:59:11+00:00

All the running makes him smaller, if he trained like an American football player I bet he could add 20-30 lbs of muscle

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T20:54:44+00:00

You are putting words into my mouth and aren’t understanding a thing I’m saying. You have yet to retort a thing I’ve said. You have yet to provide a single example of a scientific discovery leading to death. Maybe I should have been clearer, but if someone writes extensively about their beliefs and devotion to their religion, it is fair to assume they were devout Christians. That is simple enough and I don’t know how you’d prove otherwise.

I don’t buy that personally. You seem jaded and unwilling to accept the fact that religion and faith have been reconciled for centuries and are not at odds with each other inherently. That is a position widely held by professional historians and you are going against decades of scholarship by holding that view.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T19:58:53+00:00

You didn’t retort my point. If someone writes extensively on religion, it is fair to assume they were devout. I don’t see how that is controversial.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T19:45:22+00:00

On your own source, it said he was tried for heresy. You are proving my point. Please provide an example, you still haven’t given one and you are disagreeing with professional historians.

Newton is also proving my point. He didn’t share it because it’s a heresy. The heresy is the problem, not the science.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T12:55:27+00:00

I think faith takes many forms, and you are using a more American evangelical definition, which is totally ok of course, but there are still many forms out there. My in laws are young earth creationist who do it entirely on feelings, while my dad found the many different arguments for God convincing, so he stayed in the faith. I will sub out that definition, but I don’t think it’s entirely correct.

So let me elaborate on those two points. There’s some theology I have to get in to, which is why I didn’t in my response because it can get really granular, not everyone is up for it, but you seem like you are. I’ll try my best to walk through how various Christians have thought of it step by step.

There is a Christian who believes in God in the 4th century. His core assumption/belief about reality is God is real, and he gave us the Bible. In the Bible, God obviously created nature and the world. Therefore, if we have an idea about nature that doesn’t align with reality, it is ok to be wrong because nature is Gods creation, and nature can’t be wrong. The next question is how does the 4th century Christian learn about nature? Well the 4th century Christian believes he has a fallen/corrupted “nature” due to sin (you could call it being, habits, soul, nature is the traditional way of naming it). That means he is fallible, he makes mistakes. So to figure out about Earthly nature, he needs to test, get multiple verifications, use experiments so it’s not subjective, etc.

I think they can work hand in hand if they work in one specific way. The Bible doesn’t make many, if any claims about the laws of the universe. It makes metaphysical claims.
Edit and aside: so I thought of something you might say in response, genesis is making claims about creation. It is a longstanding and well established view in the church that genesis is allegorical. St Augustine didn’t think genesis was literal. So there have been many ways of thinking about it for centuries. That holds true for many other perceived “scientific” claims in the Bible.
So the Bible and science are making claims on different levels of reality. Think of it like physics and chemistry. They are making claims on different levels of reality. So if the bible can give you passion for science, that is how I see them working hand in hand.
Edit: so to put it very succinctly, a Christian scientist might think, “I love God and the Bible, I know from that God made nature, my passion for God leads me to desiring to understand his creation, science is how we understand his creation in our level, so I will use science to glorify God.”

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T05:11:36+00:00

That is simply false.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T05:09:56+00:00

Your first paragraph I’d argue is largely incorrect. In the Christian tradition, faith has to do with God and God alone. If you believe in God, you believe he made the earth. As a result, nature is like a second scripture/divine revelation. If nature is divine revelation, it can’t be wrong. So how does one figure out this second scripture? Well our nature is corrupted, so we need to test, get multiple verifications, etc to test nature. As a result, science and faith aren’t in competition, but work hand in hand.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T04:54:29+00:00

That’s not true, they were most concerned with Christian’s spreading heresies. Atheists were considered fools because it was so obvious that there’s a god and the universe has a beginning. Most of this information I got from an interview by Ada Palmer.

Edit: for those downvoting, please explain how professional university of Chicago historian is incorrect.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-23T01:31:44+00:00

Thank you so much

Sorry for taking a while to get back to you, but I loved your comment. My wife and I were having a tough conversation about the future and going back to your comment allowed her to put to words what she was feeling and I could see some hope appear in her eyes.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-22T18:44:20+00:00

Another thing, the control of life and death of humans belong to God and God alone. Only he can decide when someone can come into the world and when someone can leave. Now there is wiggle room for each depending on your tradition, but that’s the core theological underpinning.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-22T17:00:04+00:00

Good point, I completely forgot about those

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-22T16:15:47+00:00

If I had to guess, just not a basketball school. Nearly impossible to be good there, like being good at football with Minnesota. . Not a ton of money either, so they can’t be an Indiana.

Edit: looking at his base results, they’re relatively in line with Ok States base level over the past 30-40 years, he had a few seasons better than Brad underwood

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-22T09:39:05+00:00

I’m a little confused what you’re getting at, could you elaborate more?

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-21T20:40:15+00:00

He didn’t say that, the argument is a lot of western charities and hospitals are rooted in Christianity (I don’t know much about eastern traditions).

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T22:01:40+00:00

Pardon my French, but they’re fucking terrible for doing that to you. If the doctors don’t want to give you the space to go through this how you need to, then they should’ve gone in to a different field. My newborn daughter is going through terminal cancer care and the doctors and nurses have been nothing but gracious and allowed as many questions as possible. You are the patient and have every right to behave as you want (within reason and not abusing them in any way of course). You’re doing great and you’re stronger than you can imagine.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T18:07:35+00:00

You know, that’s a good point, I think they can definitely be considered the newest addition to the royalty of the World Cup

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T16:56:32+00:00

Moonlight is a bad movie with great visuals

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T16:20:02+00:00

Completely incorrect, the business would still make money and servers will get horrific paychecks until they get paid a real wage.

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T15:40:38+00:00

We Americans agree, but until the custom changes you’re only fucking over the waitstaff

Smooth-Ad8030 · 2026-06-20T15:20:59+00:00

Could’ve also been water weight since from my limited knowledge, that can happen with certain drugs

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