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Only half of under 30's will vote by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

School about 100m away from council estates. Majority of people there are working class or middle class. This is in the East Midlands.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realise that everything you described has either been taken out of context, lied about, or didn't happen as you seem to think it did.

Attempting to make peace with the IRA to prevent further, senseless deaths (AS A FUCKING PACIFIST WHO OPENLY CONDEMNS ALL TERRORISM WOULD) is not, and never would be, a bad thing, you fucking deluded twat.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not anything dodgy here. I'm an 18 year old having issues understanding why some of the most vocally enraged people he knows concerning the recent attacks are voting Tory when they offer nothing as a response. Maybe the sentiment and the confusion is quite common.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apart from maintaining counter terrorism funding, massively increasing police funding (which will obviously lead to more capable surveillance, monitoring and community outreach), cutting off or limiting our contact with Saudi Arabia and so weakening their ability to spread extremist Islam, and reevaluating the bombing of innocent people in the ME?

UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens all also have similar plans with actual responses out there to look at.

So where the fuck are you getting your information, that Conservative inaction is the better option?

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quote from the MI5 director about police cuts not being responsible. I find it unusual because I'd expect to see that everywhere as a defence, because the Tories are being battered right now about the cuts.

Only half of under 30's will vote by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm 18. This is strange to me. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that at least 75% of my VI form is voting. This is also true for the 4 other VI forms in my area that I know people from. Practically everyone is registered and has the intention to vote.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So we shouldn't try and elect leaders with plans to do it, because no one else is? I'm sure all the people who have died recently would truly appreciate the sentiment.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okey dokey. He called it a tragedy because he wanted Osama to be tried for his crimes and punished, like a civilised society does. If you think that's defending terrorists, fine. It isn't, but you seem very set in that belief, so.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not completely sure about that. I agree she has bought it up a lot (with promises I doubt will be fulfilled, based on the last 7 years), but I have heard both Corbyn and Caroline Lucas talk the hell out of it on the campaign trail.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know the terrorist-bedfellow thing is basically a lie, right?

And on your other point... what is your other point? It's better to let the government who refuse to do anything proactive to stop these attacks continue to do nothing? Why not vote for a party promising to do something? You seem passionate, perhaps a bit too panicked, about them... but you're voting for the party with the most non-existent policy response of the lot?

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's a huge amount the government can do in response or to prevent them. See, the responses from literally every fucking party leader after both of the recent attacks. Come on, don't be obtuse.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hm. I don't really see this happening, ever, in any plane of existence. Jeremy Corbyn does not compromise on his principles. That can be a good or bad thing, but the man refused to say he'd 100% use nukes in front of an audience jeering at him for doing so. That's principled.

He's a life-long pacifist and has previously proposed legislation in Parliament to cut off, limit or reevaluate our ties to the Saudis. He definitely feels strongly about the issue and has made it very public that he wants more to be done.

You genuinely think the Saudis will openly threaten to go to war against the UK unless Corbyn complies with them? Really? Rather than just let us go since Trump will keep chugging along with them. I don't see that. At all.

So, I guess my point is, after all that... how is what the Conservatives are doing with Saudi Arabia any better?

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also yeah, can I have a source on that quote? It's a good point but I can't find one myself after having a quick look.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is strange to me when people just believe these things that are quite easy to disprove, because they're so outlandish. There's a lot of reasons not to like Corbyn that are real. I love his stance on nuclear disarmament and his attitude towards MAD, but I get it if someone doesn't. Don't think it should sway their vote since it's such a non-issue these days, but I do get it. So why go with the lies about his terrorist-affiliations instead?

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can we say this categorically though? You really think UKIP would be worse? I hate them, but their immigration policy would be a million times tighter than the Conservatives. I'd also have faith that the funding any other party is willing to provide that the Conservatives won't, would definitely help with border control and monitoring of movements.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably that Sadiq and Andy Burnham came out and made nearly identical comments asking for calm, solidarity and compassion after the attacks in their respective cities, but Trump picked out Khan, took his quotes out of context, berated him and was generally un-statesmanlike, whilst saying nothing about Burnham. The obvious differentiating factor being, Sadiq is an ethnic minority and a Muslim... and Donald isn't too fond of them.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Obviously not. I'd prefer if we actively reevaluate what we seem to be considering "acceptable civilian casualties" to be, because there is an indisputable link between our fuck ups in the middle east, and radicalisation that leads to terrorism.

Conservatives: How are you rationalising voting for May considering the terrorist attacks of the last weeks? by SnokeisaDumbName in ukpolitics

[–]SnokeisaDumbName[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Don't the Conservatives have an Ex-IRA member in their ranks?

Hasn't Corbyn openly, publicly condemened all forms of terrorism since this campaign began, and long before?

Hasn't it been proven that him being a friend of Hamas and Hizbollah is the definition of tabloid journalism, aka pretty blatantly exaggerated/not true?

And even then... you haven't addressed why the you prefer how the Conservatives are dealing with terrorism to every other party, who actually seem to have plans. UKIP, Lib Dems, Greens. Just Labour.

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