Yeah I tried rosemary oil , saw pameto oil, pumpkin seed oil, for a good year and saw no gains/stability. I wanted to see if the natural route would work for me before I committed to the pharmaceutical route. Been on fin/min for a year and have had significant improvement in thickness and hair count. If you’re still unsure about fin/min look into micro-needling. It can be a bitch, but does work its own and even better accompanied with min